Goosed ECU?

editfmah

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Hi,

I have been reading this forum before purchasing a 2002 Toledo v5 recently. I have been experiencing some rough running and little electrical gremlins. I bought the car with a 3 year warranty to cover any little problems that could occour.

I put it into Five Oaks Audi in billingshurst today and they thoroughly checked the car out. I was expecting Either MAF or Coils but they threw something else into the mix.

The VAG computer showed an interesting fault, amongst MAF and Temp sensor and that was:-

004.01 - Check Event Memory
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17795 P1387 035
Internal Control Module Memory Check Sum Error

I have been informed that a new ECU is required, my question is if anyone else has seen this before? 3 Seat dealers I have tried are unwilling to look into the problem.

If the ECU requires replacing can your average garage replace it or would it have to be a $tealer? Does it require any specialist equipment to program a new one?

Thanks in advance for your help

Adrian
 

m0rk

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ANyone with the right equipment (full version of Vag-com) and the SKN immo code (only available from the dealer) can do it
 

editfmah

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Right o, the fun starts then! I'll try and track down a specialist. I don't suppose you would know if that error code does support the diagnosis, only I can see that I will have to foot the bill for the ECU and try and claim it back.
 

m0rk

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check the warrantee very very carefully... new ECU's from dealers are serious cash and you might well exceed the limit.

luckily the labour is very very low, which is always limited by 3rd party warrantee's
 

editfmah

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Hi, yeah all covered under the waranty, £1000 limit, could be close as you say. Just can't find a main dealer to do it, but will scour the web for a decent independant. I am dissapointe dthat an Audi dealer was unwilling to do it because they only had Audi discs and were unwilling to contact seat to see if it would be possible. Anyhow thank you very much for your help. It is very appreciated.
 

editfmah

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yeah they say it could be many things causing it and are unable to return the ecu's. They inform me that they would need to check all other possible avenues first before commiting to a replacement. As a computer programmer if the EEPROM memory within the control unit has a CRC failiure then its open-shut. It's f*&^KED, or could possibly be re-flashed. But anyhow will try again tomorrow.

I think it's all the investigation they need to do that puts them off the job. Is it feasable for the whole this to come in under £1K?
 

m0rk

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Yeah - new ECU is about £750, hours labour to include getting the SKN & physically fitting it - £90
 

editfmah

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OK another question if I may, all of the error codes check out and line up with various lists of codes that i have accumulated. But i've attached the fault sheet because the error in question seems to have the wrong description. It is supposed to be an Altitude Sensor, not a memory checksum. I wonder if they have made a mistake?

Anyhow after this i'll keep quiet!

VAG-SCAN.jpg
 

silver surfer

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ecu coding

ecus can now only be coded by the dealers as its done online most of the time so they need car and will not let any unlock codes out to owners of vehicals and dealer computers 5052 /b are set up with the makers software only ie;vw only has vw software to code ecus and visa versa so will need to go to seat deler to code in:shrug:
 

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Immobilizer III:

Some 2001+ Volkswagen/Audi vehicles have Immobilizer III. This works similarly to Immobilizer II, except a secret key code (SKC) is required in order to perform the adaptation routine. The routine changes depending on whether you are using a BRAND NEW ECU that has never been in any other car, or if you are using a USED ECU that has been previously matched to another car.

Immo-3 knows your car's VIN. Access 17-Instruments (or separate 25-Immobilizer on vehicles that are set up that way) and look at the first "Extra" field.

If you see something like: "Immo-ID VWZ7Z0W0648696" You've got Immo-2 (or maybe even Immo-1 in earlier non-US models).

If you see something like "WVZKB58001H231169 VWZ7Z0W0648696" You've got
Immo-3. The first 17-digit string is the VIN. The second 14-digit string in the Immo-ID.

Note: See this page for important SKC information.

There are different procedures for installing a NEW ECU or a USED ECU.

NEW:

1.

Before Installing a BRAND NEW ECU in vehicle, get the ECM coding from the old ECU in the vehicle
[Select]
[01 - Engine]
Write down the 5-digit Soft. Coding
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

2.

[17 - Instruments]
Write down the 14 digit Immobilizer ID number from the "Extra" field
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

3.

Take that 14-digit Immobilizer ID number (along with your VIN number) to your dealer and request your seven-digit SKC, along with the workshop code and importer number (all this information can be found in the upper-right corner of the Administration screen of the dealer's VAS 5051). Additional information about how to find the WSC and Importer Number can be found here.

4.

Install new ECU in the vehicle.

5.

Measure the car's battery voltage, it must be 12.5 V or higher.

6.

[Select]
[01 - Engine]
[Adaptation - 10]
Enter "50" in Channel Number
[Read]
[Use 7-digit PIN/SKC]
Enter the 7-digit PIN, Date on which the PIN was GENERATED BY THE DEALER, along with the dealer's Workshop Code (WSC) and the Importer number
[OK]

7.

VAG-COM will validate the data you have entered and return you to the Adaptation screen, where the New Value will show as "XXXXX".
[Test]
[Save]
[Done, Go Back]

8.

Verify that the VIN now displayed in the "Extra" field matches the VIN on the vehicle code from dealer
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
[Go Back]
[Exit]

9.

Turn ignition OFF and then back on within one minute, but do not start vehicle for two minutes
After 2 minutes, start the vehicle

10.

[Select]
[01 - Engine]
Verify that the 5-digit Soft. Coding matches the coding from the old ECU

11.

[Fault Codes - 02]
Clear all DTC's.

USED:

1.

Before Installing a USED ECU (we'll call it ECU #2) in vehicle, get the ECM coding from the current ECU (we'll call it ECU #1) in the vehicle
[Select]
[01 - Engine]
Write down the 5-digit Soft. Coding
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

2.

Install the USED ECU (ECU #2) in vehicle, (the Immobilizer light will be flashing, that's okay for now)
[Select]
[01 - Engine]
Write down the 14 digit Immobilizer ID number from the "Extra" field. This the 14 digit Immobilizer ID number for ECU#2.
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

3.

[17 - Instruments]
Write down the 14 digit Immobilizer ID number from the "Extra" field. This the 14 digit Immobilizer ID number for ECU#1.
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

4.

Bring both 14-digit ID numbers to your dealer and request both your seven-digit SKC's
Keep track of the SKC for ECU#1 and the SKC for the ECU#2, as well as the Date on which each SKC was GENERATED BY THE DEALER, along with the dealer's Workshop Code (WSC) and the Importer number. Additional information about how to find the WSC and Importer Number can be found here.

5.

Measure the car's battery voltage, it must be 12.5 V or higher.

6.

With the USED ECU (ECU #2) in vehicle, (the Immobilizer light will be flashing, that's okay for now)
[Select]
[01 - Engine]
[Login - 11]
[Use 7-digit PIN/SKC]
Enter the 7-digit PIN from ECU #2, Date on which the PIN was GENERATED BY THE DEALER, along with the dealer's Workshop Code (WSC) and the Importer number
[OK]
[Do-It!]
(You just "introduced" yourself to ECU#2 and the ECU should listen to you since you knew how to login. The ECU is now ready to learn its new home.)

7.

[Adaptation - 10]
Enter 50 in Channel Number
[Read]
[Use 7-digit PIN/SKC]
Enter the 7-digit PIN from ECU#1, Date on which the PIN was GENERATED BY THE DEALER, along with the dealer's Workshop Code (WSC) and the Importer number
[OK]
[Test]
[Save]
[Done, Go Back]
(You just told ECU#2 that it has a new home, and that it should make friends with the Instrument Cluster.)

8.

Verify that the VIN now displayed in the "Extra" field in the Engine matches matches the VIN now displayed in the "Extra" field in the Instrument Cluster controller.

9.

Turn ignition OFF and then back on within one minute, but do not start vehicle for two minutes
After 2 minutes, start the vehicle

10.

[Select]
[01 - Engine]
Verify that the 5-digit Soft. Coding matches the coding from the old ECU

11.

[Fault Codes - 02]
Clear all DTC's.

You can if you know the right number to input
 

tacroy

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It would be possible to clone the eeprom. That way you could buy a second hand v5 ecu, and save some money.
I think the v5 uses the ME7.1.1
All the immobiliser/chassis information would remain the same.
 
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