I'm getting a r--tech custom map. I've got all mods for a stage 2 other than a fmic which my insurer refuses to cover, so it's a bit of a dodgy situation map wise, so if I go there I can talk to their map guy (Nicky) and we can decide what's best to do until I can get a fmic when my insurance runs out. The guy on he phone said they'll probably do a stage 1+ which will give me a bit more than the standard stage 1 without frying anything hopefully
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What I don't understand is if the MAF end is 80mm and the other end of the pipe is say 65mm, then surely the only important thing is as the pipe gets smaller it stays as smooth and consistent as possible to keep it as free flowing as possible?
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s3matty
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I'm in the same boat
If someone is willing to send me a B5 tip I can do back to back runs on the Dyno for comparison ?
If there's a good increase I would definitely fork out for one
I'm quite new to modding cars so may be completely off here but im not entirely convinced the car would be able to put any little extra airflow (if there is any) to use if the map isn't updated. If you do get it on the dyno it might be an idea to do AFR runs and keep an eye on the air/fuel ratio because if you stick on the badger5 and the air/fuel ratio is slightly leaner then it looks like the badger is less restrictive. Slap it on and the AFR is richer and it looks like the badger is more restrictive. This all depends on how sensitive the O2 sensors are though because it might be too small a difference to tell. Just a thought
s3matty
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I don't know tbh. I'm not sure if the lambdas would be sensitive enough or if you could even read the data if they were sensitive enough. I know a bit about motorbikes and when you tune one of them you get it on the rolling road and stick an o2 sensor up the exhaust to get an AFR reading and adjust the map as required. I thought they'd do the same on cars to be honest
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well got these in today. just waiting on the 007p forge valve . i am going to fit the panel first then try it out just to see if there is any diffrence the put the badger 5 on and try to see how it feels then stick the valve on and see what happens ,Then in a month or about then book in for a revo stage 1 and see what it feels like should be fun though.
well got these in today. just waiting on the 007p forge valve . i am going to fit the panel first then try it out just to see if there is any diffrence the put the badger 5 on and try to see how it feels then stick the valve on and see what happens ,Then in a month or about then book in for a revo stage 1 and see what it feels like should be fun though.
I really don't understand why so many people get these generic maps like the revo on their cars, especially when there's so much talk about this tip being better than that tip, and this filter being better than that filter and so on. All these little things mess with your AFR and it adds up... On motorbikes (where I learnt most of what I know about this stuff) you get your bike, mod it, buy a fuel management system which will come with a few generic maps and you choose the one which will sort of match your mods, and then when you can afford it you pay to go and get a custom map done on a dyno so the map is spot on. There are a lot of factors involved in making a decent accurate map and it can't be done over the phone. I'm sure you can get some pretty decent results from revo but it will never be as good as a map made by a decent tuner on a rolling road so he can fine tune everything and get it bang on. If I'm wrong and revo do customs then I apologize but got the impression they're over the counter maps
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don,t know but i am prob not the best to answer this but just by going through the threads on here and a few phone calls to mappers it just seems that revo are prob the best as they deal with vag cars . I did ask one of the garages in falkirk if the put it on a rolling road when tuning my car just to be told that they don,t do that as they cant keep the temps on the car low enough the car starts to retard , So they do the map on the open road and i take it they map the car to my extra engine parts i have put on. Or at least that what i think or what would be the point of buying all these mods . might need to do a bit more digging
don,t know but i am prob not the best to answer this but just by going through the threads on here and a few phone calls to mappers it just seems that revo are prob the best as they deal with vag cars . I did ask one of the garages in falkirk if the put it on a rolling road when tuning my car just to be told that they don,t do that as they cant keep the temps on the car low enough the car starts to retard , So they do the map on the open road and i take it they map the car to my extra engine parts i have put on. Or at least that what i think or what would be the point of buying all these mods . might need to do a bit more digging
If they take it out on the road and set the map up that's definitely better than just slapping on a map based on what mods you have. R--tech where I'm going are also highly recommended in the vag community so don't let that sway you too much. The most important thing is they read your emissions and make the map based on that. Maybe the lambdas are accurate enough to make a decent map from their readings which would make it a whole lot easier, I really dont know, all I'm saying is you want your emissions to play a big part in the creation of your map. Do your homework before spending your money mate, that's all I'm saying
So, I got the map done. Funnily enough I had 222 on the base run so my mods had brought it back to factory spec, and after a lot of thrashing on the dyno he got it up to 255. A mk5 golf that was on before me got up to 276bhp but had less torque than me and that's all because of my TIP. Because it's not oversized like the badger5 the air has higher velocity which creates more torque but because the turbo can only get in so much air it costs me hp. He showed me a dyno test bill got him to do where he mapped a cupra r with a smaller TIP where he managed to squeeze 250bhp from and then he put on the badger5 and without even changing the map it went to 270bhp because the oversized TIP means air is more readily available so the engine as whole doesn't have to work as hard and can run as it should which gives big hp gains but it only costs you a small fraction of the torque. He said if I put on a badger5 I will be sitting over 270bhp with my mods. I said "you honestly reckon so, just by changing the TIP and doing nothing else?" And he said "I don't reckon so, I know so....". After getting a bit technical with him for 5 mins I was bloody impressed! Nicky's a good bloke and certainly knows what he's on about. Anyone wanna buy a forge TIP? 
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You don't need an oversized tip for the 180. I was talking to Nicky about it yesterday. The forge will work fine or r--tech make their own for 110 which looks like a good bit of kit. I'd probably get one of them
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