Ibiza Ecomotive

[Nath.]

With these ecomotives, if i were to buy one and remap it, bigger turbo, big intercooler, big brakes and alloys would the no road tax and no conjestion charge still count?

It'll still be an ecomotive on the log book.................. just pimped so that it could give all the green lovers the mid digit.

And it would still only have 3 cylinders

 

[canonman]

I just bought one for 6850.. (2300 miles in white)

Freeking hell thats good, 08 or 58?

 

[Ibiza 130 tdi]

With these ecomotives, if i were to buy one and remap it, bigger turbo, big intercooler, big brakes and alloys would the no road tax and no conjestion charge still count?

It'll still be an ecomotive on the log book.................. just pimped so that it could give all the green lovers the mid digit.

That's what i reckon fella!

Buy one, remap it, get a nice zaust on it, lower it, pimp it to fook, still get good mpg and free road tax!

I wouldn't wanna big turbo a 1.4 3cylinder though.....

 

[Danneh]

You might want to change the ecomotive engine....

 

[bobmcgod]

I sometimes think people buy Diesel and they think they're saving money.. They aren't actually. Yeah, some of us do, some of us do not, at all.

Whats the Price different per L at the pumps atm between norm unleaded and norm diesel?

Think about this, I have done sums before but forget.. The extra MPG you get wil be soaked up by maybe, 12p extra every litre?

In short, people who used to do about 10k in a petrol, buys a diesel, and thinks, ahh great, loads more MPG. However if you only do 10k, you are not actually making a saving because you aren't doing anough miles.

People who do high miles will deffinatlky benefit from a Diesel, though low/aervage, milers, as they say, stick with a good petrol.

We're talking roughly the equivilent petrol/Diesel versions. OBV 3.0 V8 is going to cost more than a 1.4TDI. Thats a no brainer,

But say a 08' 1.9 TDI vs. 08' 1.4/1.6.. and you do little miles.. (even 15k will just about get you money back) you aint going to save.. likely to loose.

But it'll still cost less to do a hundred miles in a 1.4tdi vs a normal 1.4.
So i'm going to assume you're talking about the price premium on diesel cars. The difference is made up come resale. Or once you hit a certain milage (ie the amount that offsets extra cost of car).

 

[Danneh]

But it'll still cost less to do a hundred miles in a 1.4tdi vs a normal 1.4.
So i'm going to assume you're talking about the price premium on diesel cars. The difference is made up come resale. Or once you hit a certain milage (ie the amount that offsets extra cost of car).

Nope. You'll just loose it at the pump.(Cost less to do a hundred miles, but in this climate, you have to pay, say.. 13p more a litre? so. you loose. Its like 13p extra a litre. 50 litre tank? Don't kid yourself, if you don't do enough miles you WILL loose the money. I'm not talking about the price difference on sale either. If you do enough miles, you'll probably loose all the resale. If I needed econmy and only did 10,000 miles, I'd buy a new, economic 1.4 petrol over a 1.4TDi.

Edit: Due to my crap memory.. I probably was..

 

[m0rk]

Danneh, you're so wrong on so many levels

But because your maths cannot be so hot I've knocked up a spreadsheet & done a graph to help you understand.

Now what my graph is trying to show is this.... even with the petrol & diesel costs (85.9 & 96.9 used as they are at my local Morrisons) the delta in fuel costs isn't that great in the returns

Now if we're feeling generous I'd give the 1.4 16v Ibiza 40mpg, now the 1.4 TDI only needs to hit ~46mpg to match the same cot per mile

Now given that it'd piss that on a bad day, we'll compare against the (alleged) 70mpg the Ecomotive can do... now the Petrol would need to do 61mpg to match this. I've not been unfortunate to spend much time in the Mk4 1.4's but I'm guessing that 61mpg is fairly hard to achieve.

If you fancy having a play with fuel costs to see where the cut off is - I've stuck the spreadsheet here - http://m0rksport.co.uk/temp/petrol vs diesel ppm.xls

 

[Danneh]

Crud I probably was talking about the price premium included

Sorry

Trust me not actually to bother doing the maths than to just remember from ages ago.. and my maths is crap, yeah

 

[Danneh]

Heres what I found a while ago when Petrol.v.Diesel were more eccentric.

Petrol averages 39.8mpg
100 miles = 2.513gallons = 11.42litres
11.42litres @ 89.9p = £10.27

Diesel averages 50.4mpg
100 miles = 1.984gallons = 9.02 litres
9.02 @ 106.9p = £9.64

That was a 2.0 Focus vs. 2.0 Diesel.

Aren't Diesels more expensive to service, and ontop of the price to buy..

 

[bozzzydmc]

Well thats just it, its not only just the price of the fuel but the initial cost of the car, servicing / intervals, road tax, insurance etc etc ...

 

[Danneh]

Petrol averages 39.8mpg
20000 miles = 502.6gallons = 2284.82litres
2284.82litres @ 89.9p = £2054.05

Diesel averages 50.4mpg
20000 miles = 396.8gallons = 1803.86litres
1803.86litres @ 106.9p = £1928.32

(Not what I did btw, from another forum because I admit my maths are terrible, and I lost my old sheet and I hate maths so not doing work again.

Diesel averages 60mpg
20000 miles = 333.3gallons = 1515.33litres
1803.86litres @ 106.9p = £1620

At that time with the current difference in ppl, you wouldn't save much, because you have to factor in other factors, as said.

 

[Daniel1431]

Love my Ecomotive. Good on the ol Fuel

 

[Torquemonster]

Freeking hell thats good, 08 or 58?

Gotta be from an auction/finance repo.Way,way below book.
I might even consider one at that price.

 

[Nath.]

So by todays prices what is the mileage cut off where a petrol starts to become the better option ?

I'm doing about 5k miles in mine per year, am I safely in the cut off ?

 

[m0rk]

it's so hard to work out a cut off point with the depreciation of cars being so severe at the moment.

 

[Nath.]

I'm not bothered about purchase cost,depreciation,servicing and that. I'm just curious what the mileage cut off point is for a 25mpg petrol and a 40mpg diesel.

 

[Gooner_Mike]

So by todays prices what is the mileage cut off where a petrol starts to become the better option ?

I'm doing about 5k miles in mine per year, am I safely in the cut off ?

There was an article in Autortrader recently about this. For some new models, identical cars but petrol VS diesel it was as much as 40,000 miles! This was diesels costing more to start with and service etc!

I have done 18,000 miles in my Fr 1.8T in the year that I have had it so I would benefit in just over 2 years for example.

 

[Nath.]

So you reckon you have to be doing 40k a year to make a derv pay ?

I was guessing more like 20k these days.

 

[m0rk]

I'm not bothered about purchase cost,depreciation,servicing and that. I'm just curious what the mileage cut off point is for a 25mpg petrol and a 40mpg diesel.

25mpg is 15.6ppm (petrol)
40mpg is 11.0ppm (diesel)

So in the diesel you're 'saving' 4.6ppm at these fuel consumption rates.

 

[Gooner_Mike]

So you reckon you have to be doing 40k a year to make a derv pay ?

I was guessing more like 20k these days.

Sorry, that research was based on buying a new model and when does that start to become cheaper. You're right, it would be much less than that I guess. Diesels make sense for high milers though!