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Ibiza FR 1.4 EcoTSI ordered
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I'm not sure on that. Never had a 3 cyl before...actually, hang about, wasn't my old 1.2 TSI 105hp 3cyl?
I found this on another VW group forum:
"I now have some more information about fast idling with the TSi. Dealer "A" told me the fast idle probably happened because it sensed the battery voltage was low. Considering the car is only a year old and its the middle of summer this seemed entirely unlikely. Dealer "B" told me it was to get the heater working quickly. Or maybe the air conditioning. A detailed search on the internet provided a third and most likely explanation which I have pieced together below, this applies to the 1.4 TSi CAXA engine but may also apply to the 1.2 TSi.
After starting, the Engine Management Unit looks at various temperature and other sensors and decides if it would be safe/worthwhile to pre-heat the exhaust catalyst to reduce emissions. Rather like Goldilocks and the porridge, if things are too cold or too hot the answer is no. If the answer is yes, the idling revs are increased to around 1300 and the ignition timing is considerably retarded. The late ignition means that the gases coming past the exhaust valves are still burning hotly, which raises the temperature of the catalyst more quickly than would happen otherwise. It also makes the exhaust sound wierdly burbly like a diesel. After about a minute, the revs are gradually dropped to normal and the odd noise stops. Unlike older VAG engines, there doesn't appear to be a separate whining air pump for the warm-up cycle, possibly (my theory) because direct injection can be leaned off immediately after starting and there is therefore less carbon monoxide needing extra oxygen to burn.
In principle the car is still drivable while this is going on, but in practice it would seem that the engine management has some difficulty coping with all possible drving conditions and jerky running and spitting are not unknown for the first few hundred yards, especially if you go above 2000 rpm. I imagine this would be "interesting" if you have DSG. From now on I am going to confine myself to shutting the garage doors, putting on the seatbelt, twiddling the radio and slow speed manoeuvres until it has "done its stuff".
"I now have some more information about fast idling with the TSi. Dealer "A" told me the fast idle probably happened because it sensed the battery voltage was low. Considering the car is only a year old and its the middle of summer this seemed entirely unlikely. Dealer "B" told me it was to get the heater working quickly. Or maybe the air conditioning. A detailed search on the internet provided a third and most likely explanation which I have pieced together below, this applies to the 1.4 TSi CAXA engine but may also apply to the 1.2 TSi.
After starting, the Engine Management Unit looks at various temperature and other sensors and decides if it would be safe/worthwhile to pre-heat the exhaust catalyst to reduce emissions. Rather like Goldilocks and the porridge, if things are too cold or too hot the answer is no. If the answer is yes, the idling revs are increased to around 1300 and the ignition timing is considerably retarded. The late ignition means that the gases coming past the exhaust valves are still burning hotly, which raises the temperature of the catalyst more quickly than would happen otherwise. It also makes the exhaust sound wierdly burbly like a diesel. After about a minute, the revs are gradually dropped to normal and the odd noise stops. Unlike older VAG engines, there doesn't appear to be a separate whining air pump for the warm-up cycle, possibly (my theory) because direct injection can be leaned off immediately after starting and there is therefore less carbon monoxide needing extra oxygen to burn.
In principle the car is still drivable while this is going on, but in practice it would seem that the engine management has some difficulty coping with all possible drving conditions and jerky running and spitting are not unknown for the first few hundred yards, especially if you go above 2000 rpm. I imagine this would be "interesting" if you have DSG. From now on I am going to confine myself to shutting the garage doors, putting on the seatbelt, twiddling the radio and slow speed manoeuvres until it has "done its stuff".
Thanks for finding that. it does make sense and it's exactly what my old 1.2TSI used to do. The revs however settled down to about 750rpm after about 3 minutes from starting. This new 1.0TSI seems to constantly stay at 950rpm whatever the temperature outside or inside!
You are going to love the 1.4 150 - it is an awesome little engine. Still find myself shaking my head when I accelerate onto the motorway and glance down at the speedo! So easy.
How many times have you looked in the mirror when pulling away from someone to see them with an amazed look on their face
I've had a few 'executive' class cars right up my arse on the motorway - usually in a 50 average speed camera area. Get to the end of the restricted area and floor it - can see them virtually gnawing on their steering wheels in desperation - so funny.
Ive ordered the following.....
SEAT IBIZA SPORT COUPE
1.4 EcoTSI 150 FR Technology 3dr, Petrol, Metallic - Lima green
Metallic - Lima green
Cloth/Alcantara sports seats - black
Rear view camera
Ambient lighting
Climate control
Bi-Xenon headlights with adaptive front light system + headlight washers
Black pack - Ibiza
Seat sound pack - Ibiza
I cant wait Mark! Are you still enjoying yours? Will be a big drop in BHP, but it didnt feel like it on the test drive!!
SEAT IBIZA SPORT COUPE
1.4 EcoTSI 150 FR Technology 3dr, Petrol, Metallic - Lima green
Metallic - Lima green
Cloth/Alcantara sports seats - black
Rear view camera
Ambient lighting
Climate control
Bi-Xenon headlights with adaptive front light system + headlight washers
Black pack - Ibiza
Seat sound pack - Ibiza
I cant wait Mark! Are you still enjoying yours? Will be a big drop in BHP, but it didnt feel like it on the test drive!!
Ive ordered the following.....
SEAT IBIZA SPORT COUPE
1.4 EcoTSI 150 FR Technology 3dr, Petrol, Metallic - Lima green
Metallic - Lima green
Cloth/Alcantara sports seats - black
Rear view camera
Ambient lighting
Climate control
Bi-Xenon headlights with adaptive front light system + headlight washers
Black pack - Ibiza
Seat sound pack - Ibiza
I cant wait Mark! Are you still enjoying yours? Will be a big drop in BHP, but it didnt feel like it on the test drive!!
Yes love it. It has very good torque for a petrol so pulls really well in all gears. Absolutely love CarPlay as well - Apple Music is getting some hammer!
Like above - it surprises lots of people.
Ive ordered the following.....
SEAT IBIZA SPORT COUPE
1.4 EcoTSI 150 FR Technology 3dr, Petrol, Metallic - Lima green
Metallic - Lima green
Cloth/Alcantara sports seats - black
Rear view camera
Ambient lighting
Climate control
Bi-Xenon headlights with adaptive front light system + headlight washers
Black pack - Ibiza
Seat sound pack - Ibiza
I cant wait Mark! Are you still enjoying yours? Will be a big drop in BHP, but it didnt feel like it on the test drive!!
Nice Spec and the Lima green with the Black Pack looks very nice.
Well I took the missus out for the day and used the Eco trainer the whole time and i averaged 19.1 km per litre.
Well I received an email today from Carista re the beta version of their software. I received my invite to the beta and downloaded it. Plugged in my odb2 adapter and ran the software - it took a while to scan for customisation shut did eventually come back with a list. Including the folding mirrors on long press option. Just to confuse things though the windows are also currently configured to open/close with the long press of the remote.
It does actually open/close the windows but doesn't fold the mirrors. Could it be that the setting for the windows is overriding the mirrors setting - I tried to pay £4.99 for 7 day access to the programming capability but my in app purchase failed.
I want to try and disable the windows option and just see if the mirrors then fold on long press.
It does actually open/close the windows but doesn't fold the mirrors. Could it be that the setting for the windows is overriding the mirrors setting - I tried to pay £4.99 for 7 day access to the programming capability but my in app purchase failed.
I want to try and disable the windows option and just see if the mirrors then fold on long press.
I'd guess that the "natural" idle for 3 cylinder engine will always be higher than that for a 4 cylinder engine - other wise it would get too rough. The response to your posting seems to tie in with that.
I haven't yet bought the app for the £15 price or whatever it was. I was seeing if anyone else tried it first
I may give it a go though next weekend...
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