blackmagicibiza

black magic ibiza :D
May 18, 2010
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Hi, just a quick question really. has anyone got the JOM coilovers on there mk5. if you have got them, did you need anything extra to install them, such as different drop links, different top mounts etc. thanks
 
They seem far too cheap to be any good. From what iv read they are good for going low and that's it!

well tbh i just want to lower the car atm, not worried about ride quality etc. i will start to save for a better brand of coilovers for the future. i have been recommended the jom ones as they are good for the price and thata all im looking for atm.
 
well tbh i just want to lower the car atm, not worried about ride quality etc. i will start to save for a better brand of coilovers for the future. i have been recommended the jom ones as they are good for the price and thata all im looking for atm.

If all you wanna do is go low, then get springs.
 
tbh matey i just got my apex springs on and the car sits really really well. I was so surprised as i wanted coilovers but it was just too much hassle and the prices are silly atm. ride is a little harsher but not a huge amount :)
 
They seem far too cheap to be any good. From what iv read they are good for going low and that's it!

And you'd be wrong if my mates beemers anything to go by. He has a set in his 325Ci and the handling is great now. Firm through the corners but not bumpy, to be honest it almost feels like it should've come with them.

Not having a go at you in particular Nath but it kinda angers me that some people actually believe it costs companies like Bilstein, Koni, Eibach etc £600-£800 to manufacture a set of adjustable shocks!! "Some" of these budget brands have still managed to pass german TUV testing, the same testing as the other big name brands.

Fair enough if you're gonna do track days obviously the budget coilovers aren't going to be up to much as you'll want full adjustment for on the track but most people don't do that. For every day driving about they're fine.
 
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And you'd be wrong if my mates beemers anything to go by. He has a set in his 325Ci and the handling is great now. Firm through the corners but not bumpy, to be honest it almost feels like it should've come with them.

Not having a go at you in particular Nath but it kinda angers me that some people actually believe it costs companies like Bilstein, Koni, Eibach etc £600-£800 to manufacture a set of adjustable shocks!! "Some" of these budget brands have still managed to pass german TUV testing, the same testing as the other big name brands.

Fair enough if you're gonna do track days obviously the budget coilovers aren't going to be up to much as you'll want full adjustment for on the track but most people don't do that. For every day driving about they're fine.

Just because it is more firm does not necessarily mean it handles any better.

Did he get a full geo setup on the car after the coilover's were fitted?

I'm of the opinion that coilovers are not needed unless you are going to the track.

BMW's are one of the best handling standard cars out there, especially in 3 series guise. Why did he feel need to lower it?
 
Just because it seems to handle well doesn't mean they are good coilovers either.

A lot of my mates are into the "Dub" scene, so budget parts are very common. Everyone I've known who has had these coilovers loved them for 3 or 4 months, then they slowly started to destroy themselves after that time. I know of three rear shocks that broke, 2 springs sheared, a droplink that snapped and one guy who had to replace both front struts after they both rusted around the top mount and nearly cleanly broke away from the mounts, and this was after 7/8 months if I remember correctly.

Safe to say I wouldn't recommend them to my worst enemy. You can get a good set for £450, just save your money. You know the expression "Buy cheap, buy twice"
 
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Depending on how low you go you shouldn't need anything else, straight swap.

If you need any prices just give me a shout.

Damian @ DPM Performance
 
Just because it is more firm does not necessarily mean it handles any better.

Did he get a full geo setup on the car after the coilover's were fitted?

I'm of the opinion that coilovers are not needed unless you are going to the track.

BMW's are one of the best handling standard cars out there, especially in 3 series guise. Why did he feel need to lower it?

You're playing on my words there mate. It's not that the car handled badly beforehand either. Just sat a bit too high for his liking. His does handle better than it did though. As for the geometry, yes that was all adjusted afterwards. Shorter droplinks were also fitted.

And as for some dubbers cars needing replacements shocks etc. they were no doubt running them far far too low and without helper springs etc. Basically doing everything they could to get them lower so its hardly surprising
 
And as for some dubbers cars needing replacements shocks etc. they were no doubt running them far far too low and without helper springs etc. Basically doing everything they could to get them lower so its hardly surprising

How is that an excuse for them breaking lol.

Fair enough if they had cut springs or modified the coilovers in any way then yes it's there fault, but they were lowered within, what the manufacture felt, was safe and reasonable, otherwise they wouldn't have been made to go that low, and they still broke.

I know for a fact that the guy who had to replace both front struts had his lowered about 40mm from standard as he had 19s on a Mk4 Golf, but they still gave up and a lot worse than the others.

I just don't see why you would try and justify spending under £200 on one of the most important components on your car. Sure you don't have to spend thousands but at least go for something better than 'the absolute cheapest of the cheap'. Would you do that with tyres/brakes? I wouldn't and I would class suspension just as important as those.
 
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How is that an excuse for them breaking lol.

Fair enough if they had cut springs or modified the coilovers in any way then yes it's there fault, but they were lowered within, what the manufacture felt, was safe and reasonable, otherwise they wouldn't have been made to go that low, and they still broke.

I know for a fact that the guy who had to replace both front struts had his lowered about 40mm from standard as he had 19s on a Mk4 Golf, but they still gave up and a lot worse than the others.

I just don't see why you would try and justify spending under £200 on one of the most important components on your car. Sure you don't have to spend thousands but at least go for something better than 'the absolute cheapest of the cheap'. Would you do that with tyres/brakes? I wouldn't and I would class suspension just as important as those.

Yes it is an excuse! They're not designed to run without helper spring and no bumpstops!! Just because they can go that low doesn't mean you should do it either!! I'm pretty sure running any car on the tiles is gonna have adverse effects on various components. He hasn't any faults or complaints about them. His were fitted and set up correctly, handles fine and are very comfortable considering its on coilovers. As for your question "why would you justify spending £200 on the most important components on the car".... well manufacturers don't exactly fit expensive components when supplying standard suspension do they?? NO! Cheap dirt comes on the car when you buy it but you don't bitch about that ;) He's had them in for about a year and absolutely no problems. Most people don't bother to grease them up before installation either which aids the longevity of any coilover
 
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Yes it is an excuse! They're not designed to run without helper spring and no bumpstops!! Just because they can go that low doesn't mean you should do it either!! I'm pretty sure running any car on the tiles is gonna have adverse effects on various components. He hasn't any faults or complaints about them. His were fitted and set up correctly, handles fine and are very comfortable considering its on coilovers. As for your question "why would you justify spending £200 on the most important components on the car".... well manufacturers don't exactly fit expensive components when supplying standard suspension do they?? NO! Cheap dirt comes on the car when you buy it but you don't bitch about that ;) He's had them in for about a year and absolutely no problems. Most people don't bother to grease them up before installation either which aids the longevity of any coilover

I already made it pretty clear that the guy that had the biggest fault (both struts needing replacement through rust in 8 months) was running with the coilovers as they came out of the box. Helpers in, bump stops in and just a 40mm (there or there abouts) drop. What's the excuse for that?

I'm sure there are people who have used these before with no issues, but there is no point in telling the OP one side of the story (that they are brilliant and don't go wrong) when they clearly do.

We all know manufacturers fit shoddy quality parts, but how can you say nobody complains? Ok so not many people come onto a forum and say "my standard suspension set up is made of poor quality parts" but why do you think people upgrade? My point is, if your car is already fitted with cheap parts, why spend £200 to replace those cheap parts with equally cheap parts? If you want to lower it, just spend £160 on some really good quality springs. At least you won't have to worry about them breaking. Either that or save up.

I spent £500 on my FK coilovers on my last car, I ran that almost as low as I could, didn't really look after them all that well either. After 18 months I took them off and cleaned them up, and apart from some paint peeling, they looked almost brand new, and felt great on the car still after 18 months, without a single issue. That's what happens when you pay for quality.
 
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That's one instance yeah. I've heard of problems like that with all sorts of brands including dearer ones. My original point was, my mate loves his, suits his purpose n hasn't had any problems. Any time one of these threads is raised you always get the same type of people on gurning, you seldom hear about the satisfied happy customers, he is one. There are exceptions to everything mate, everything has the potential to go wrong at some stage. Just putting his opinion forward. Personally I'd be happy enough with a set of springs
 
Try searching other forums such as VW ones to get the answers, I found with my coilovers after we had 1 fitted (before taking it back off) that you need shorter droplinks for V-Maxx coils apparently.
 
And you'd be wrong if my mates beemers anything to go by. He has a set in his 325Ci and the handling is great now. Firm through the corners but not bumpy, to be honest it almost feels like it should've come with them.

Not having a go at you in particular Nath but it kinda angers me that some people actually believe it costs companies like Bilstein, Koni, Eibach etc £600-£800 to manufacture a set of adjustable shocks!! "Some" of these budget brands have still managed to pass german TUV testing, the same testing as the other big name brands.

Fair enough if you're gonna do track days obviously the budget coilovers aren't going to be up to much as you'll want full adjustment for on the track but most people don't do that. For every day driving about they're fine.

Whats a german MOT got to do with anything, all that states is they wont cut your fingers if you try and change a tyre around it!

I am willing to bet a shiney pound he has made the handeling worse, if someone decent were to actually test the car.
 
In short if you just wanna go low then you would be wasting money on the more expensive coilovers imo and coils will let you go lower than springs and come with shocks designed for those heights. So go ahead.