luke.
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i took some pics on my fone so not sure how 2 post them on here?but i did foto the bits we modified and removed etc
Laguna Intercooler?
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The intercooler is from a Renault Laguna 2.2 turbo diesel,the only number I can find on mine is 160041413F.Hope this helps.
Shock_Xe
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Guys few friendly tips for ya, With regards to the laguna fmic do some research on the max pressure of the dci unit, you will find that they dont like boost,
Read various postings on using Renault Laguna intercoolers,------ are you all aware of service problems with them in normal use conditions ?. They have a serious problem with the core collapsing and causing very high back pressure on the turbo thrust bearing and then terminal turbo failure !!!!!
Bear in mind how expensive pipework is guys, Samco is avg £15-£20 per bend, Count how many bends you need, then consider straight samco is £50 per meter, then consider the metal joins to join samco, think they are £7ea (every join would require one) then all clamps. Or if you go alu route, looking at similar price per bend and straight but you have to have labour/welding cost
Then when using samco consider that every single join, every harsh bend and change in bore size and total length in pipework can all affect pressure/boost loss which can equal increased lag and power loss
Also consider depth of core, height of core and entry for end tanks, as this can all effect filling of the core, If its too thin and endtanks shape & entry are wrong this can cause uneven filling which means inefficient cooling and also that the rate (velocity) that the air is moving through the fmic that it doesnt actually get cooled (Dwell time in core) also have to consider turbulance before/during entry into core.
Also remember that the K0x based turbos run relativly high boost so velocity is high so the likleyhood of pressure loss and no dwell time in core is high.
Not trying to put people off doing their own thing, as I think its great for develpment and choices, however you have to realise that its not that simple, if that was the case everyone would have a FMIC, There is limited suppliers for a reason, remember we were the first to develop a FMIC singlepass and that was when the car was 3years old! to date there is only a handfull of kits available and cupra is approaching 7years old
Think about what Ive said before jumping feet first, all lessons we learnt (sometimes the hardway) and lessons dont come cheap, to date we have reviewed/changed our ibiza 10core 5 times and large 17 core 3 times
in 3 years (not including changes to piepwork)
Im happy to give anyone advise where I can
Read various postings on using Renault Laguna intercoolers,------ are you all aware of service problems with them in normal use conditions ?. They have a serious problem with the core collapsing and causing very high back pressure on the turbo thrust bearing and then terminal turbo failure !!!!!
Bear in mind how expensive pipework is guys, Samco is avg £15-£20 per bend, Count how many bends you need, then consider straight samco is £50 per meter, then consider the metal joins to join samco, think they are £7ea (every join would require one) then all clamps. Or if you go alu route, looking at similar price per bend and straight but you have to have labour/welding cost
Then when using samco consider that every single join, every harsh bend and change in bore size and total length in pipework can all affect pressure/boost loss which can equal increased lag and power loss
Also consider depth of core, height of core and entry for end tanks, as this can all effect filling of the core, If its too thin and endtanks shape & entry are wrong this can cause uneven filling which means inefficient cooling and also that the rate (velocity) that the air is moving through the fmic that it doesnt actually get cooled (Dwell time in core) also have to consider turbulance before/during entry into core.
Also remember that the K0x based turbos run relativly high boost so velocity is high so the likleyhood of pressure loss and no dwell time in core is high.
Not trying to put people off doing their own thing, as I think its great for develpment and choices, however you have to realise that its not that simple, if that was the case everyone would have a FMIC, There is limited suppliers for a reason, remember we were the first to develop a FMIC singlepass and that was when the car was 3years old! to date there is only a handfull of kits available and cupra is approaching 7years old
Think about what Ive said before jumping feet first, all lessons we learnt (sometimes the hardway) and lessons dont come cheap, to date we have reviewed/changed our ibiza 10core 5 times and large 17 core 3 times
in 3 years (not including changes to piepwork)
Im happy to give anyone advise where I can
Thanks Shock_Xe,
I have personally give up on the idea if K03s and FMIC etc as it's gonna cost me a bomb. I did think of the laguna intercooler but I can see why you/forge change so much for a FMIC when all the research/prototypes that need to be made.
I just can't afford £700+ on a FMIC and £500+ on an exhaust not to mention reamps/dv etc just to get my K03s to give me 230/240bhp.
If I can get it done for £2000 that's £25 per 1bhp
... I know it'll hold boost etc for longer but I think I'll just change my car if I want more power.
Can't blame people for trying to take a cheaper route though
Alpha
I have personally give up on the idea if K03s and FMIC etc as it's gonna cost me a bomb. I did think of the laguna intercooler but I can see why you/forge change so much for a FMIC when all the research/prototypes that need to be made.
I just can't afford £700+ on a FMIC and £500+ on an exhaust not to mention reamps/dv etc just to get my K03s to give me 230/240bhp.
If I can get it done for £2000 that's £25 per 1bhp
... I know it'll hold boost etc for longer but I think I'll just change my car if I want more power.Can't blame people for trying to take a cheaper route though
Alpha
i run this intercooler when mine was remaped last year, lad that used to be on here lee, had the same set up as me. 03s,dtwist, forge dv and the am fmic, after the remap at jabba his car made 236 bhp-264 llbs. When mine was done my car made234 bhp-256llbs, so not much in it. The reason i went the lagune route was funds simple as that. Went out one night with some mates done some vag-com intake temps never went above 30, so i'm happy with this. As for cost, all the samco's cost me £145,fmic £35 to get it fitted was £100 so under £300 which i could go for. I know where mike is coming from but just coundn't afford the £700, but this setup works for me. it's all down to wot people can afford at the end of the day
cheers nick
cheers nick
can anyone tell me how have they mounted the renault intercooler to the car thats all im waiting on just need to know
luke.
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cu51pra said:
the crash bar and samcos hold it up quite well on there own but i jus made little brackets n tacked them 2 the supports in front of the rad
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