New to seat, what to look out for on 1.2 TSI 110 6speed ibiza Ibiza fr 5 Dr engine code cjzd

[Catzeye83]

Hi everyone, as title suggests I've just bought a 16 plate Ibiza fr 1.2 110 bhp with 6 speed box, my first seat, the car has 14, 000 miles on it and it has the engine code cjzd, I'm wanting to know a few things, will it have a timing belt or chain? If it is chain do they need to be checked periodically? What are the service intervals on it? What is the difference in engines between the 110 bhp and the 90 bhp? And lastly anything I should look out for with regards to things failing? Thanks very much for any help with my questions

 

[camelspyyder]

Has a belt.

Its the 2015 replacement for the chain cam drive 105 that I had.

I've driven the 110 and its pretty much as nice as the 105 but reputedly more reliable.

The low power ones (86 or 90) tend to come with 5 speeds, better torque and slightly better real world economy.

 

[Teknalogique]

If you haven't already, you can use this site to decode the options on your sticker:

VW Group Option Codes Decoder

Or download the full lists from here:

VAG Option Codes

Get description of option codes for VAG vehicles. Download full list of codes with description: Volkswagen, Audi, Škoda, Seat.

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The manual should have everything else you need in terms of service intervals etc and that is here if you don't have a paper copy:

https://www.seat.co.uk/datamanual-manual/ibiza/my17_w22/en-uk/IBIZA_05_16_EN.pdf

 

[Catzeye83]

Hi thats great yous two thanks very much for the help

 

[camelspyyder]

The option codes may tell you the service interval too. Both of mine since 2014 have been delivered on variable service (up to 18000 miles with the right oils - depending on driving style). But owners can opt for 10000miles/12 months instead I think - your low mileage car should be on this regime the variable one is more applicable to commuters and high mileage drivers.

 

[Catzeye83]

Yip when I have checked codes one of the codes says prolonged service!! Thanks for that, is it worth asking the garage I bought it from to make sure it goes onto the annual 10,000 miles service or is it something that I can do my self ? Thanks for reply

 

[Catzeye83]

The option codes may tell you the service interval too. Both of mine since 2014 have been delivered on variable service (up to 18000 miles with the right oils - depending on driving style). But owners can opt for 10000miles/12 months instead I think - your low mileage car should be on this regime the variable one is more applicable to commuters and high mileage drivers.

Actually when I asked the garage the service history they said yearly so that answers that, is there anyway to tell if it's defo a 110 bhp? Cheers

 

[Teknalogique]

Actually when I asked the garage the service history they said yearly so that answers that, is there anyway to tell if it's defo a 110 bhp? Cheers

Put it on a Dyno!

On a serious note, if it's a 2016 FR with that engine it's a 110 unless it's been remapped. A Stage One on that engine can get it up to about 130.

Seat - Ibiza 6P 2015 > 2017 - Petrol - 1.2 TSI - 110hp

www.avontuning.co.uk

 

[Catzeye83]

Put it on a Dyno!

On a serious note, if it's a 2016 FR with that engine it's a 110 unless it's been remapped. A Stage One on that engine can get it up to about 130.

Seat - Ibiza 6P 2015 > 2017 - Petrol - 1.2 TSI - 110hp

www.avontuning.co.uk

Cheers, just done a simple reg check it's defo 110

 

[RUM4MO]

My wife's August 2015 (late July 2015 factory build to order) Polo 1.2TSI SEL has that engine (obviously) and is now at just over 34,000 miles with no issues, it typically returns 48>54MPG over a full tank, and easily achieves 60MPG on longer runs.
Two small issues, that car was delivered new with a hard plastic preformed ribbed EVAP pipe, that caused an annoying "peep peep peeeeeeeeeep etc" while the EVAP solenoid was allowing the system to be purged - no need for that so I demanded that VW sorted that out like they were meant to have done by time that engine had been manufactured - and they replaced that hose for a smooth bored thick rubber pipe. Second issue was too much clunking from the power train due to, as it turned out a failing gearbox top compliant mounting, after removing it and greasing it up (?!!!) VW said it was sorted, and so it was for a month or two, eventually I requested that VW stop messing about and replace or fix that mounting, they replaced the probably softer petrol engined version for the TDI version and that sorted that out, Skoda used a different version with this engine in the Fabia, ie Skoda use 3 versions, NA petrol engine type, TSI engine type and TDI type - why VW and maybe SEAT don't - who knows. By that time, still under warranty, one of the front lower wishbone rear (vertical) bonded mountings had torn but that would have been due to driving through an unsighted pothole I'd think more than a VW Group design issue. If they end up tearing again in the future I'm considering replacing them with the non voided versions from cars like the Golf R etc, I replaced the previous design of mounting at that point on a 2002 Polo 1.4 16V SE with the SEAT Cupra Ibiza solid version and that lasted for over 10+ years without imparting any new nasty noises or vibrations into the cabin.

Oh, one other thing, on that August 2015 VW Polo 1.2TSI SEL, I discovered that the petrol feed pipe from the in-tank LP pump up to the engine mounted HP fuel pipe, was free to move and was rubbing on one of the AC pipes - which is not good, as the car was outside warranty, and again VW claim to have resolved that before that car was built, I just bought an almost suitable "bridging piece" for a Golf which is just a plastic bracket or 2 that clip onto pipes with a swivelling part between the 2 clips, that type of clip is intended to be used in situations where either a pipe needs steadying or spaced from another pipe, as one of the clips was slightly too big in diameter I applied fabric tape to the point in the fuel pipe that I was going to fit it over - and for the past couple of years that has worked okay - ie no more rubbing through the rubber fuel pipe.

Hopefully not an issue for your engine, but just in case it does happen, quite a few, especially Skoda Fabias mainly, have suffered from one of the HP fuel rail snapping off and allowing HP petrol to spray out over the front of the engine, now I don't consider this to be just a slight inconvenience, more a potential fire hazard, but unfortunately VW Group have not been seeing these cases as most cars are getting recovered to the nearest garage, and a new set of bolts and sealss fitted at the owner's cost! It turns out that the Skoda factory that builds these engines - all these engines for all VW Group cars, had an issue with under torquing or not torquing up these bolts correctly over a period in time, that was corrected but no action was taken over the cars that went out possibly with this issue, very good - not VW Group. This issue seems to take quite a long time to appear and has been appearing randomly wrt age and mileage - I'm just alerting you to this issue just in case your car ends up snapping a HP fuel rail bolt and you will now know it is not an extremely rare occurrence - I've already bought new bolts and if I can move the inlet manifold out of the way enough, then I'll depressurise that HP fuel rail and replace the bolts one at a time.

Edit:- I've missed out four words from the last paragraph, it should read "have suffered from one of the 3 bolts of the HP fuel rail".

 

[Catzeye83]

My wife's August 2015 (late July 2015 factory build to order) Polo 1.2TSI SEL has that engine (obviously) and is now at just over 34,000 miles with no issues, it typically returns 48>54MPG over a full tank, and easily achieves 60MPG on longer runs.
Two small issues, that car was delivered new with a hard plastic preformed ribbed EVAP pipe, that caused an annoying "peep peep peeeeeeeeeep etc" while the EVAP solenoid was allowing the system to be purged - no need for that so I demanded that VW sorted that out like they were meant to have done by time that engine had been manufactured - and they replaced that hose for a smooth bored thick rubber pipe. Second issue was too much clunking from the power train due to, as it turned out a failing gearbox top compliant mounting, after removing it and greasing it up (?!!!) VW said it was sorted, and so it was for a month or two, eventually I requested that VW stop messing about and replace or fix that mounting, they replaced the probably softer petrol engined version for the TDI version and that sorted that out, Skoda used a different version with this engine in the Fabia, ie Skoda use 3 versions, NA petrol engine type, TSI engine type and TDI type - why VW and maybe SEAT don't - who knows. By that time, still under warranty, one of the front lower wishbone rear (vertical) bonded mountings had torn but that would have been due to driving through an unsighted pothole I'd think more than a VW Group design issue. If they end up tearing again in the future I'm considering replacing them with the non voided versions from cars like the Golf R etc, I replaced the previous design of mounting at that point on a 2002 Polo 1.4 16V SE with the SEAT Cupra Ibiza solid version and that lasted for over 10+ years without imparting any new nasty noises or vibrations into the cabin.

Oh, one other thing, on that August 2015 VW Polo 1.2TSI SEL, I discovered that the petrol feed pipe from the in-tank LP pump up to the engine mounted HP fuel pipe, was free to move and was rubbing on one of the AC pipes - which is not good, as the car was outside warranty, and again VW claim to have resolved that before that car was built, I just bought an almost suitable "bridging piece" for a Golf which is just a plastic bracket or 2 that clip onto pipes with a swivelling part between the 2 clips, that type of clip is intended to be used in situations where either a pipe needs steadying or spaced from another pipe, as one of the clips was slightly too big in diameter I applied fabric tape to the point in the fuel pipe that I was going to fit it over - and for the past couple of years that has worked okay - ie no more rubbing through the rubber fuel pipe.

Hopefully not an issue for your engine, but just in case it does happen, quite a few, especially Skoda Fabias mainly, have suffered from one of the HP fuel rail snapping off and allowing HP petrol to spray out over the front of the engine, now I don't consider this to be just a slight inconvenience, more a potential fire hazard, but unfortunately VW Group have not been seeing these cases as most cars are getting recovered to the nearest garage, and a new set of bolts and sealss fitted at the owner's cost! It turns out that the Skoda factory that builds these engines - all these engines for all VW Group cars, had an issue with under torquing or not torquing up these bolts correctly over a period in time, that was corrected but no action was taken over the cars that went out possibly with this issue, very good - not VW Group. This issue seems to take quite a long time to appear and has been appearing randomly wrt age and mileage - I'm just alerting you to this issue just in case your car ends up snapping a HP fuel rail bolt and you will now know it is not an extremely rare occurrence - I've already bought new bolts and if I can move the inlet manifold out of the way enough, then I'll depressurise that HP fuel rail and replace the bolts one at a time.

Thanks a lot for your reply, nice insight into the problems you've had, its always good to have a heads up with regard to any future possible problems, cheers again

 

[Crossthreaded]

My wife's August 2015 (late July 2015 factory build to order) Polo 1.2TSI SEL has that engine (obviously) and is now at just over 34,000 miles with no issues, it typically returns 48>54MPG over a full tank, and easily achieves 60MPG on longer runs.
Two small issues, that car was delivered new with a hard plastic preformed ribbed EVAP pipe, that caused an annoying "peep peep peeeeeeeeeep etc" while the EVAP solenoid was allowing the system to be purged - no need for that so I demanded that VW sorted that out like they were meant to have done by time that engine had been manufactured - and they replaced that hose for a smooth bored thick rubber pipe. Second issue was too much clunking from the power train due to, as it turned out a failing gearbox top compliant mounting, after removing it and greasing it up (?!!!) VW said it was sorted, and so it was for a month or two, eventually I requested that VW stop messing about and replace or fix that mounting, they replaced the probably softer petrol engined version for the TDI version and that sorted that out, Skoda used a different version with this engine in the Fabia, ie Skoda use 3 versions, NA petrol engine type, TSI engine type and TDI type - why VW and maybe SEAT don't - who knows. By that time, still under warranty, one of the front lower wishbone rear (vertical) bonded mountings had torn but that would have been due to driving through an unsighted pothole I'd think more than a VW Group design issue. If they end up tearing again in the future I'm considering replacing them with the non voided versions from cars like the Golf R etc, I replaced the previous design of mounting at that point on a 2002 Polo 1.4 16V SE with the SEAT Cupra Ibiza solid version and that lasted for over 10+ years without imparting any new nasty noises or vibrations into the cabin.

Oh, one other thing, on that August 2015 VW Polo 1.2TSI SEL, I discovered that the petrol feed pipe from the in-tank LP pump up to the engine mounted HP fuel pipe, was free to move and was rubbing on one of the AC pipes - which is not good, as the car was outside warranty, and again VW claim to have resolved that before that car was built, I just bought an almost suitable "bridging piece" for a Golf which is just a plastic bracket or 2 that clip onto pipes with a swivelling part between the 2 clips, that type of clip is intended to be used in situations where either a pipe needs steadying or spaced from another pipe, as one of the clips was slightly too big in diameter I applied fabric tape to the point in the fuel pipe that I was going to fit it over - and for the past couple of years that has worked okay - ie no more rubbing through the rubber fuel pipe.

Hopefully not an issue for your engine, but just in case it does happen, quite a few, especially Skoda Fabias mainly, have suffered from one of the HP fuel rail snapping off and allowing HP petrol to spray out over the front of the engine, now I don't consider this to be just a slight inconvenience, more a potential fire hazard, but unfortunately VW Group have not been seeing these cases as most cars are getting recovered to the nearest garage, and a new set of bolts and sealss fitted at the owner's cost! It turns out that the Skoda factory that builds these engines - all these engines for all VW Group cars, had an issue with under torquing or not torquing up these bolts correctly over a period in time, that was corrected but no action was taken over the cars that went out possibly with this issue, very good - not VW Group. This issue seems to take quite a long time to appear and has been appearing randomly wrt age and mileage - I'm just alerting you to this issue just in case your car ends up snapping a HP fuel rail bolt and you will now know it is not an extremely rare occurrence - I've already bought new bolts and if I can move the inlet manifold out of the way enough, then I'll depressurise that HP fuel rail and replace the bolts one at a time.

Edit:- I've missed out four words from the last paragraph, it should read "have suffered from one of the 3 bolts of the HP fuel rail".

 

[Crossthreaded]

Good morning RUM, I hope you and yours are well in these "strange" times we are enduring.

You've caused me slight alarm regarding your highlighting of the fuel rail problem on the TSI engines but I'm very glad you've brought this to our attention. By the nature of it pressurized fuel like this escaping will tend to be well atomized so a very high risk of fire must be present. My engine is the 1.0 litre 3 cylinder CHZB with cam belt (not chain driven) so, I presume, the same "family" of engines as your 4 cylinder? Do you know if it's an issue with mine?

My car is going in to AVW soon for it's cam belt to be renewed so I think I'll ask them if they have any "take" on this one - I'm sure I've seen you post that you know them too and I'm wondering if you've mentioned it to them and if so did they have anything to contribute?

Kindest regards
John (or Jock if you prefer, I answer to both!)

 

[RUM4MO]

Good afternoon Jock!

When I first heard about this maybe over a year ago, I was horrified, the thread, on the Skoda forum has a picture of the car just prior to being collected by a breakdown low loader, the ground underneath the front of the Ibiza was wet, wet with petrol. I was quite annoyed about that failure really just in general, but also as I and my wife use a car with that engine. A few months later another one and so on, okay not huge numbers, but big enough for it to look like something was not right.
I assumed the worst and thought that it must be due to the bolts holding the fuel rail on not being high enough strength, so initially, I ordered in a full set of these bolts plus an extra, really just to be prepared and to check the strength of one of these bolts to destruction. So after they arrived and more failures were being logged, I upped my game and started enquiring form some specialist bolt suppliers about the availability of "extra strong" stainless steel bolts - by now I could see that these bolts are manufactured from a stainless steel alloy. There is only one source of "extra strong" stainless steel bolts and they are based in Sweden mainly supplying the oil industry and aerospace, they got back to me but were unable to supply to me directly so passed on details of UK based agents. The first quote I got was very high as the highest grade are only made to order and minimum order was 100 bolts, the next grade which is stocked, again only come in packs of maybe 100 bolts, and no supplier I talked to would split a box as each batch is individually certified and that traceability is lost when a certified box is opened and split up, I can easily understand that. My last attempt was to an oil industry supplier up in Aberdeen and a box came out to be roughly £85 delivered, again from that same Swedish manufacturer of specialist fixings. You might say "what price is a life" - but with some of the crap I was getting from someone in that forum, who did not run a car with one of these engines and "knew" that anything with "stainless steel" in its description is not suitable as it is not strong enough - so I sat on this potential issue for a while.
Then one of the later owners to suffer this, based maybe in Sweden, got back onto that forum with an answer based on what his Skoda dealership told him, it was he had said that Skoda knew or had worked out that for a period in time, there had been an issue with the tooling used to assembly that area of these engines, and that it had been corrected - but it sounds like Skoda did not come clean about this to its customers both internally or externally, which in my mind is shocking when you consider high pressure petrol spraying out of the front of the engine, which at speed would end up being blown back over the nasty hot areas!

Here is a link to that thread on the Skoda forum:- https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/468348-fuel-leak/#comments

Edit:- from the parts listing, the 1.0TSI engines(same family) have the same design of fuel rail, but in the 1.0TSI only 2 bolts are used again M6 but with this engine 55mm long. The 1.2TSI fuel rail has 4 M6 bolts but they are only 16mm long, as this seems to have been an initial assembly tooling error, I'd think that the 1.0TSI engines should be okay unless they used common tooling for that part of the assembly and the same assembly line.

 

[Crossthreaded]

Thank you so very much for that most informative reply RUM. With a bit of luck I may be Ok then? Definitely something to remain aware of and check for petrol smells and signs of dampness on an ongoing basis.

 

[RUM4MO]

This might sound like someone is just over reacting and/or being alarmist, but I was seriously angry when I first heard about this and the lack of involvement by VW Group in general.
Even now, like in the past few weeks, with the hot weather, I could smell a slight hint of petrol getting into the Polo, that worried me and so as soon as I could work out a reason for stopping, I'd look under the front of the car and on seeing nothing, lift the bonnet to check - and there was nothing to suggest the smell had been coming from our Polo, so I'm guessing that was just the usual thing that happens to an extent in hot weather with lots of petrol engined car around - brings back memories of holidaying in warmer climes - a fading memory! I think that I will react in that for quite a long time to come, by the way this same issue affected the other 4 cylinder engine in this family of engines, ie the 1.4TSI - again around a common build period, I'm surprised how few end up getting reported on these forums for cars using these two 4 cylinder petrol engines.

To explain maybe a bit more, it is only the high pressure fuel rail that holds the injectors into the cylinder head, an okay design if everything is spec'd correctly and the assembly tooling is checked as and when it should be. It tends to be the bolt furthest away from the HP pump that fails ie snaps off. I think that the HP connection to that pipe is a conical male<>female union and the preformed steel pipe then becomes part of a hollow fuel rail that has 4 holes in it that locates over the top of the injectors and has 4 tabs that have securing holes in them to fasten it down to the cylinder head, the end of the fuel rail has a threaded open end into which the fuel pressure monitor sensor is screwed into, so that will add a a bit of weight to the end of the rail that breaks free first.

 

[Crossthreaded]

Smell of petrol? Funny you should mention that RUM. Over the past few weeks on a couple of occasions, When we've been departing my son's house after a day of childminding I've started the engine ready to depart then been delayed whilst SWMBO has entered into conversation with either my boy or his wife at the kerbside. after a very short while of idling - engine cold - I've noticed, only on those two instances, a not very strong but definable smell of petrol. Haven't noticed it when sitting in traffic or at traffic lights etc and on both those instances it was very hot weather so maybe something to do with that? Or maybe not my car at all? I'm now very sensitive to this and I'm watching out for it all the time. I haven't yet opened the bonnet to take a look but I think I'll do just that if it happens again. Difficult to see, at a glance, what's going on in that area though due to the intercooler - are our coolant/air heat exchangers still called intercoolers?

I'm saying I'll stop and open the bonnet but in the town that might be difficult due to the proliferation of these bollarded cycle lanes which have sprung up all over our fair city!

 

[RUM4MO]

Yes these "spaces for people" fittings! Was there not a recent case of a middle/oldish woman exiting a shop, forgetting about them and fell and broke a leg maybe, a lot like Embra's tram tracks that capture cyclists and sometimes contribute to their death - all smart clever stuff!

I am like you, assuming the worst or being prepared for the worst in assuming that the petrol smell is actually coming form our cars.

Though, it has to be said, older cars smelt a lot like that when running as well as they could, we were walking along the road in Corstorphine and a bright blue Hillman Imp passed by driven by a cheerful looking older gent, it appeared to be running very well, ie no visible nasties coming out of the exhaust - but the smell it left behind it was a bit nasty, which was normal in the old days!

 

[lylewatson2001]

Chances are the heater knob will fail and 4 will be full blast and each other setting will be all but off. Happend on the 4 ibizas in my family and 2 of my freinds cars. Expect a sensor to fail every year or 2 and electricals like the fag lighter could stop working.

 

[Catzeye83]

Chances are the heater knob will fail and 4 will be full blast and each other setting will be all but off. Happend on the 4 ibizas in my family and 2 of my freinds cars. Expect a sensor to fail every year or 2 and electricals like the fag lighter could stop working.

Looking forward to that then not haha, cheers for input