NOx Adblue !

[Big Vinny]

Im I the only person who thinks that the only acceptable working solution to the VW NOx emission situation is to retrofit the SCR (Selective Catalytic Reduction) Adblue urea exhaust injection system currently used in the Alhambra to the Exeo 2.0tdi and others ?

Ive looked it up and there are companies out there that appear to offer it, so SEAT should be able to do it ? I believe it would mean a new DPF, Adblue tank and a few other bits. This would of course represent a huge expense to VW/SEAT which is probably why they havnt suggested it.

So far a solution that reduces power (which is why I bought the 170) and probably torque as well (something else they have not mentioned) is very unappealing.

As a customer the more I feel "managed" by SEAT over this the more likely I am to tell them im not interested in their so far non existent "fix" !

 

[LeonCR]

Current information suggests that this will not be the case in the uk, things can and probably will change so just have to wait and see

 

[Fmxvxx]

Seeing as the "fix" whatever it may be is not mandatory I'm unsure why people are so hell bent on slamming it especially before even knowing what it may be, the current line of investigation is Software updates for the 1.2 and 2.0 and the 1.6 the current line is possible modified injectors all could change as they have to be approved/tested but at the end of the day if you don't like the "fix" then don't get it tax band is unaffected so I'm not sure what you actually have to gain by getting the fix done in the first place.


EDIT:

They will not convert the old EU5 engines to run an SCR system the amount of work for that is not feasible with the scale of cars affected for one there is no easy mounting point for the tank and using the spare wheel well like most after market systems is not an option for an OEM fit, the overall parts costs are way to high by the time you've fitted a tank modified the rear trim to allow for a filler neck , pump Injector new exhaust section DPF a control unit wired it up to the ECM and Gateway flashed the ECM to run the SCR It's just not a feasible option they are going to go for the cheapest quickest option to get the job done.

 

[Sausageinabun]

I'm not so sure that we are going to be allowed to opt out of the 'corrective action' at all.

Can they force us to have it, has a precedent ever been set in a case like this. I mean it isn't a safety related issue, so isn't a danger to life and limb is it!

Or if we do opt out, will they simply flash the ECU as a matter of course on next service, and not even inform us that it has been done.

Or in order to NOT have this applied, do we now have to refuse to have our vehicles dealer serviced at all.

 

[LeonCR]

The government may well force the recall on all the problematic cars

 

[Fmxvxx]

The issue is not safety related so there is no legal requirement to have the recall done for any vehicle still in warranty the recall will be carried out automatically by the dealership but again as it is not safety related you are within your right to refuse will be exactly the same as having remapped cars in the workshop just make them aware when the vehicle comes in.

 

[LeonCR]

It's related to pollution, so like I said may be forced to be done, it was something touched on with the transport commitee meeting

 

[leon_mike]

The government may well force the recall on all the problematic cars

Germany just has, see BBC News website.

"Volkswagen has been ordered to recall 2.4 million cars in Germany by the country's automotive watchdog as a result of the diesel emissions scandal.

German media reports suggest the KBA earlier rejected VW's proposals that car owners could voluntarily bring their cars in for repair."

 

[decadent]

Well that would be a PITA if they do force a recall. My thinking was to let the dust settle post solution, work out whether it would be beneficial to me and make my decision then whether I wanted them to mess with the car I bought.

I almost feel like offloading the car and moving on as I know I wouldn't be happy with some flat lifeless remap to meet the Nox levels required.

Euro6 cars can only manage the similar power figures with adblue, albeit with supposed slightly stricter Nox emissions (seen in the news VAG have suspect code on Euro6 cars too) so a simple remap on a Euro5 will only do one thing - reduce power and torque through out the rev range, perhaps keeping a peak headline number similar to what we have now.

I'm also losing confidence in the VAG brand and believe they'll market the remap/fix as having the same peak figures so no change and gloss over the driveability changes as a result of remapping for less oomph throughout the a high % of the rev range.

I suppose we could just remap our cars with REVO/Bluefin etc afterwards as an alternative but it would still leave a bitter taste in mouth so to speak.

 

[LeonCR]

Well that would be a PITA if they do force a recall. My thinking was to let the dust settle post solution, work out whether it would be beneficial to me and make my decision then whether I wanted them to mess with the car I bought.

I almost feel like offloading the car and moving on as I know I wouldn't be happy with some flat lifeless remap to meet the Nox levels required.

Euro6 cars can only manage the similar power figures with adblue, albeit with supposed slightly stricter Nox emissions (seen in the news VAG have suspect code on Euro6 cars too) so a simple remap on a Euro5 will only do one thing - reduce power and torque through out the rev range, perhaps keeping a peak headline number similar to what we have now.

I'm also losing confidence in the VAG brand and believe they'll market the remap/fix as having the same peak figures so no change and gloss over the driveability changes as a result of remapping for less oomph throughout the a high % of the rev range.

I suppose we could just remap our cars with REVO/Bluefin etc afterwards as an alternative but it would still leave a bitter taste in mouth so to speak.

I have a euro 6 Octavia VRS and that does not need Ad blue

 

[Sausageinabun]

Remember chaps, we here in the UK do not have to meet the far more stringent NOx emissions required in the US, so remapping our vehicles in order to meet those requirements makes no sense, and would be totally unnecessary.

How much the cheat software has affected our NOx emission levels, if at all, is unknown. What the 'fix' entails is also unknown.

The 'fix' may be a simple matter of turning off, or removing the offending code from our ECU's.

In point of fact, we know nothing more at this time, other than that our cars are 'affected'

I can't see them turning our cars into the equivalent of a 2CV, no disrespect to the 2CV, I'm sure it is a worthy little vehicle, for a French farmer that has to carry eggs across his ploughed fields!

The public outcry would make the situation that has caused this in the first instance, pale into insignificance by comparison.

Time will tell!!