Oil change after running in?

[chris128]

I bought a new motorbike not long ago (don't worry this will get car related soon), and the recommendation from the dealership and the owners manual for the bike was that you don't go above 8,000 RPM for the first 1000 miles, and then once you hit 1000 miles you get it serviced to change the oil and then you can slowly start going all the way up to the redline at 16,000 RPM. The reason for changing the oil is because apparently during the initial running in period when the engine parts are bedding in and smoothing over, little bits of debris from the various parts that rub against each other will break off and end up in the oil - so its important to get it changed so that all that crap isn't floating around in your oil for the next few thousand miles.

So I assumed the same would be true for cars, and was surprised when I picked my new Cupra R up on Friday that the dealership said you don't need to service it until its done 10,000 miles and no need to change the oil or anything until then.
Now its done 550 miles already and I'm taking it in for something else on Thursday so I'm thinking it would probably be worth getting them to just change the oil while I'm there, before I start working the engine a bit more and using higher revs (which I was going to do once its done about 800 miles anyway). Would anyone else agree or do you all think its completely pointless to get the oil changed?

Thanks
Chris

 

[LeonCR]

Pointless mate

Just follow the manufacturer run in and don't worry about changing the oil till 10,000 or a year

 

[Marshall]

Well I bought mine with 1000 miles on and it had a oil change then I done it again at 5000 miles.
Oils nowadays are designed to last the 10k between services but I always give mine at least one change between services.
If your going to keep the car I think it's a good thing and well worth the cost if doing it yourself.
If I paid dealer costs it wouldn't get it.

 

[LeonCR]

Considering they use long life oil that's designed to last 20k I don't see any benefit

 

[Marshall]

As the Tfsi engine puts so much crap into the oil it can only be beneficial to the engine.
Will it make it last any longer? Probably not but it is some peace of mind if running mapped or pushing hard.

 

[LeonCR]

As the Tfsi engine puts so much crap into the oil it can only be beneficial to the engine.
Will it make it last any longer? Probably not but it is some peace of mind if running mapped or pushing hard.

Guess if your running power then it would be worth it

 

[Deleted member 74601]

I saw something on the tdiclub forums about the initial oil being slightly different to aid running in. However, it still doesn't need changing until 10k.

If you did an analysis of the oil (which the Americans seem to love doing) the content of the oil at first oil change is completely different.

 

[robdf2]

As the Tfsi engine puts so much crap into the oil it can only be beneficial to the engine.
Will it make it last any longer? Probably not but it is some peace of mind if running mapped or pushing hard.

im with you Kev

take it from people who have owned Cupras for a while , even though its suppossed to be long life oil it starts to get very dirty and very smelly around the 6k mark.

if you do a lot of short journeys condensation will build up on a daily basis and manifest into horrible mayonaise gunk.

The way this engine is designed is to pull unburnt engine vapours back through the system , this contains oil vapour mixed with water vapour and other contaminents.

have a search on here for the crap that comes out of a catch can.

if you can afford to do oil changes at 5k or so then i recommend you do them

 

[tonto]

i change mine every 3k but thats mainly because i dont have to pay for my oil.

 

[G.P]

im with you Kev

take it from people who have owned Cupras for a while , even though its suppossed to be long life oil it starts to get very dirty and very smelly around the 6k mark.

if you can afford to do oil changes at 5k or so then i recommend you do them

I agree, but not just Cupra's. .

 

[chris128]

Thanks for the responses guys I think maybe some of you are missing the point that I'm not talking about doing this regularly, just that I'm wondering if its a good idea to change it after the initial running in period when all of the parts or being bedded in and smoothed over etc rather than waiting until I've done another 9,000 miles. I would be getting the dealer to do it so yeah they will rip me off as usual, but I don't mind if its worth doing, especially as I'm going to get it re-mapped next week I want everything to be in perfect condition before I get that done really.

 

[tonto]

as far as i know, bikes run a different grade of oil when they are being run in.
im sure i question this everytime i buy a new bike (nearly every year for the last 5 years) and thats what i get as a reply as they dont get reved as high and as you said the shaviings that can come off it needs to be thicker to hold it rather than push it through the system like a thinner oil would which would be used when you are able to take it to the redline

 

[chris128]

Yeah I think the whole running in process is a bit different with cars and bikes, certainly bike people seem to make it out to be much more important than anyone talking about running a car in. Several people seem to suggest that you don't even need to run a car in at all and can just thrash it from day one... but I'd rather not do that lol

So is the general opinion that I may as well get it done then?

 

[tonto]

i change my oil in the car 3k
in the bike about 600.

but i dont use either lightly tbh, they get a good work out when i do use them B-) for dealer prices, i wouldnt bother if you can do it cheap then there would be no harm but again, manafature advice 8 or 10k for the first change.

 

[chris128]

OK thanks, well I think I can haggle the dealer down to a sensible price after they delayed the delivery of my car so much that I threatened to cancel it and the fact that I'm having to take it back to them to look at the steering less than a week after I got it.

 

[chris128]

Well the dealer reckoned it would be £75 to change the oil... so I said how about £50 and they said they couldn't do it for that so I thought sod it I'll just get it done somewhere else when I've done a few more miles

 

[Marshall]

That's why I said it was a good thing if you aren't paying dealer prices.
I buy a filter from Seremotors and I get oil for nothing and do it myself.
Total cost about £6


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[G.P]

I'm going to get it re-mapped next week I want everything to be in perfect condition before I get that done really.

Can your remapping company chnage the oil?

Well the dealer reckoned it would be £75 to change the oil... so I said how about £50 and they said they couldn't do it for that so I thought sod it I'll just get it done somewhere else when I've done a few more miles

How much is a gallon of oil & filter?

The running in service on a BMW is £300/350. .

 

[sykes1990]

Changing the oil for peace of mind is definitely not a bad thing is it really, I've brought a genuine service kit for mine and come to £55 for everything, think the oil was £14 on a deal and the filter was £7 so not too dear either if your doing it yourself

 

[robdf2]

Inlaid £35 for oil from euro car parts and filter £5
Plus an hour of my time