PD130 vs Cupra

[devonutopia]

I'm going for a driving course pretty soon. Have not done any real learning, and now my power output is likely to be rising a fair bit, I think I should invest £200 in a decent course (the one you suggested, Mike )

I'm also still not fully over my roley poley incident in North Wales. I'm sometimes a little wary when it comes to right hand bends. The memory of the back end stepping out, and going over a couple of times is still fresh (it was only 3.5 years ago after all)

 

[vwpologti]

ok then were are most of the driving courses then?

i would love to do somthing like this,as it would be loads of fun
and to be fair i think im a good driver,but get me on a course
and then i would prob see how crap i am lol

im in staffordshire anyone know to any around here?

thanks

 

[devonmikeyboy]

If you want to save about 20% on Adrian Flux insurance this is a good place.
http://www.ridedrive.co.uk/
The guy that trained me was a traffic cop training instructor, he sad the coarse is apparently very much like what traffic police have to pass to drive their patrol cars.

 

[wrusst]

back to the issue
i was looking at the stage 2 tuning package from allard with an fmc it reckons ud be on around 195 for a pd 130 i assume its the same as the fr. so is the injector size and turbo size the same or does it use one of those posh vnt/vgt ones. is there a limit until the pistons become a problem or are they the same to.

as for brakes cus some explain to me why a bigger disc with the same size of calliper increase ur stopping speed?

wud an shock and spring upgrade on the fr out perform the cupra standard one's (if all thing remained equall

 

[jase750]

as for brakes cus some explain to me why a bigger disc with the same size of calliper increase ur stopping speed?

the caliper will be larger for the bigger disc and therefore give a greater contact area of pad on the disc, = more friction
it will also have a greater circumference so will have a greater surface area to displace the heat build up ! = less fade

 

[devonmikeyboy]

back to the issue
i was looking at the stage 2 tuning package from allard with an fmc it reckons ud be on around 195 for a pd 130 i assume its the same as the fr. so is the injector size and turbo size the same or does it use one of those posh vnt/vgt ones. is there a limit until the pistons become a problem or are they the same to.

as for brakes cus some explain to me why a bigger disc with the same size of calliper increase ur stopping speed?

wud an shock and spring upgrade on the fr out perform the cupra standard one's (if all thing remained equall

There is a very good spell checker on site mate which would make it alot easier for people to understand what the hell you are trying to say.
PD 130/150/150 injectors all the same size.
Turbo are the same on all the PD130`s with max power at about 190bhp from the KKK unit.
All turbos on the PD 130 + range are VNT.
Pistons are OK for a good 300bhp.

 

[Mikey_H]

All i'm going to say about that is do you know me?? for all you know i could be a racing driver, so how can you comment on my driving skill or say that i need lessons?? the answer is you don't so you can't so pee off mate!!!!

Back to topic,

I have spoken to jabba and i'm am 98% sure i'm going for the bigger turbo just going to take a few months to raise the funds as i'm going to get them to do it all at once rather than driving there for fmic then driving there for clutch then driving there for turbo ect ect... jabba say i should be running around 240bhp mark when this is done

 

[T10HJS]

All i'm going to say about that is do you know me?? for all you know i could be a racing driver, so how can you comment on my driving skill or say that i need lessons?? the answer is you don't so you can't so pee off mate!!!!

Back to topic,

I have spoken to jabba and i'm am 98% sure i'm going for the bigger turbo just going to take a few months to raise the funds as i'm going to get them to do it all at once rather than driving there for fmic then driving there for clutch then driving there for turbo ect ect... jabba say i should be running around 240bhp mark when this is done

sounds good mate im glad you finally made your mind up, but you know what this means now dont you..............
i now also need to get a IHI turbo conversion lol
i would personally save up and go for the 4pot callipers with that much power, they look a dam site better aswell, i will see if i can get you some prices i will be starting a group buy soon for ECS tuning brake kits.

 

[DIFT]

If your thinking of running 240 BHP on Standard FR brakes good luck!

Sounds like it will be a nice car at the end though... Im still trying to save up for my Hybrid... taking ages

 

[wrusst]

There is vw brake conversion out there that use the existing callipers but with bigger discs I thought it worked on a principle of leverage but was not sure.

i know a bigger pad would transfer more energy.

 

[mgrays]

Torque is what stops and starts you.. so yes .. bigger disc with same caliper has a bigger arm/leverage and hence creates more torque (=force x distance). Same issues in reverse as fitting larger diameter tyres on a 4x4 .. you end up with less braking capacity as your leverage has suffered. Area of pad is only relevant to pressure/force causing pad to crumble (unlikely if it is standard pads/calipers) The other variable is heat capacity.. and the big disc will have more mass .. and so will accept more heat .. whereas the small disc will take less heat and get to a temperature that overheats the pads sooner = brake fade.

Not sure even an aftermarket Subaru will have much more area/volume for their intercooler.. the Seat Cupra one is huge by any standards.. way more than required unless they wanted to go racing somewhere at some point??

 

[joonspoon]

oh my god i honestly cant believe i just read that!!

as you make your car faster your standard brakes cant live up to it. they are built for 130bhp ibizas (and they still are shite). now try running a 180bhp (for arguement sake) car on those same brakes. the faster acceleration means a faster car. try stopping on standard 130 brakes. all ill say is good luck!

i remember when i changed my 1.6 astra sport into a 2.5 v6, the day i got it back with the engine in i had to have the 1.6 brakes still and they were useless didnt feel safe to drive and it was scary. the next day i had my brakes changed for the v6 brakes and everything was spot on and stopped really well.

so listen as i like many other can talk from personal experience, change your brakes...dont risk it

I'm a bit lost here.

If the size and weight of the car have not changed surely you only need to upgrade the brakes if you intend to slow down from 100mph every 30 seconds?

The brakes on my car don't know what engine I have, they only know to slow the car down.
If I drive my car fairly steadily with an occasional quick spurt my standard brakes are fine.

That said I'm currently using EBC Greenstuff pads on the front but that's because they are dust free.

Regards Guy.

 

[basstard]

I'm still for the FR 130,,, If I'd buy a cupra I'd mod it anyway and the two cars are almost identical for engine and chassis.

I'd buy a 130 and then do:

-map
-IC
-suspension
-brakes
-clutch
-total mufflerectomy

for a basic stage. Mind you these are the things you'd need on a modded cupra too bar the IC. I know the suspension and the brakes are better on a cupra but since you're gonna mod the cupra too then I'd say you'll need to do the job in that case too,,, right? So I'd start saving at the dealer and then buy the stuff I want which would be better than what's on the stock cupra anyway.

My 2p.

 

[DIFT]

Basstard...

What Brakes are Better the the AP ones? As you seem to imply you would upgrade them on the Cupra?

 

[basstard]

Brembos, something off of a serious audi or something like what mikey has,,, I'm not sayin they're pants, I'm sayin that you would probably want to change the brakes on a cupra too,,,

 

[DIFT]

Fair enough... I'd only consider changing them if I went down Mikeys route too, plus the RS4's look lovely.

Anything short of that, and I wouldnt change them... Im sure Bill still runs them on his Ibiza after all.

 

[devonmikeyboy]

I don`t think there would be any need to change the calipers on a PD Cupra unless it was going to be a stripped out track car as the AP ones worked really well. I changed the pads to DS2500, discs to G88`s and Motul RBF600 brake fluid. One of the main reasons a say get a Cupra is the look of the car. Unless you are stupid and modify a new car the old PD130 doesn`t come with the bodykit or uprated interia which is a lot nicer.

 

[Mikey_H]

Hi, i will be having the brakes off my brothers golf gti 180 as he is buying a big porche brake conversion but i am looking at other options too because i know even the bigger 312mm brakes are still only single pot!

 

[mgrays]

Single pot is not the end of the world; they work nearly as well (unless you just want all looks.... and no performance) .. they do tend to be heavier as they are cast steel compared to the aluminium alloy of most 2/4 pots but you get benefits as they are probably 2-3 times as stiff (this is comparing a Girling Jap copy (which is your standard 1 pot) verus Willwood 4 pots. This shows up in pad/disc wear; with the 4 pot the disc wears in a taper being thicker in the middle but then the 1 pot wears it's pad nearer the pot faster so the only hassle is as the discs get worn on a 4 pot they don't wear in pads so quickly, twist the pistons a little but then less likely to squeal as they cannot twist/judder on their slides like the 1 pot.

I had a Mk4 Golf VR6 and those (312mm?) 1 pot brakes were the best I ever have known (I know VW normally aren't great).. it would nearly do front wheelie (I have had a car I could do that with!) and it stopped too quick for at least one commuter (I missed back of pile up but even after letting off 8-10' longer stopping distance he still stuffed me up the back).

 

[jase750]

All i'm going to say about that is do you know me?? for all you know i could be a racing driver, so how can you comment on my driving skill or say that i need lessons?? the answer is you don't so you can't so pee off mate!!!!

If you were a racing driver you would have taken me up on my challange !

You didn't, therefore you aren't

Oh I forgot to say I did a 9:47 at the Nurburgring in my STANDARD Ibiza FR 130. . Faster than a lot of more powerful cars.