smoke on startup / fault code p0420 / 16804

urbanracer8

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Mar 11, 2010
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Bridgwater, Somerset
hi guys, im having a problem with my 1.8t ibiza, its currently remaped and running 200ish bhp, bought it like that. i am having problems with the car smelling and on start up getting whiteish grey smoke and same when deaccrelating when revving up. the exhaust tail pipe is extremely sooted up, i put a piece of paper there when starting it up it didnt smell like oil but its lots of little dots i think its soot which makes me think its fueling. i looked through the FAQ and found this

O2 Sensor – Because of strict emissions these 1.8T’s are very sensitive to readings from the O2 sensors. MY 2001+ have a wideband front O2 sensor with high accuracy and a linear response. The car will adjust the fueling based on the readings from the sensor. If the sensor is over heated, exposed to lead (race gas), flooded with soot (too rich) or is just old, it can provide the car with false readings and the car will not provide the proper fueling. When the O2 sensors go bad and the ECU detects this the car will run on reserve fueling maps and will not be able to adjust for boost leaks, fuel pressure, MAF readings or any other parameter that affects fueling. To check for a bad sensor the first thing to do is run block 032 on the VAG com. If the sensors are bad, the readings will both be 0%, replace the Front O2 sensor. If the sensor is bad, it will also respond slowly, or reach a peak. Logging block 031 will show the lambda reading from the O2 sensor as well as the requested lambda from the ECU. To get air fuel ratio multiply lambda by 14.7. If the log shows the lambda jumping wildly when running through a gear, or perhaps it flat lines at an unreasonable level, then the O2 sensor should be replaced. If the o2 sensors get shorted out or the wires get pulled, they will damage the ECU, be careful with the wiring on these sensors. 2000 and older cars do not have a wideband sensor, however they will still perform some adjustment of fueling based on the sensor

i did what it says and it says on block 032 0% on both lambda sensors, although i am told when they are remaped they turn off the 2nd sensor, i am also now and again getting the CEL light on and displaying the codes;

Control Module Part Number: 6K0 906 032 AA
Component and/or Version: 1.8L 20VT EU3 0002
Software Coding: 10500
Work Shop Code: WSC 00000
1 Fault Found:
16804 - Catalyst System: Bank 1: Efficiency Below Threshold
P0420 - 35-00 - -

i assume these are interlinked, and does this deffo sound like my lambda up the duff, thanks in advance

luke
 

BeartheBruce

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Apr 23, 2006
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The 0% bothers me - I would not expect the sensor at 0 - unless this was done on a cold engine and the sensor had not heated up yet. During start up the system runs open loop - the sensors are not used to control the fuel mixture. But, they come to temp pretty quick. Did you check them hot or cold?

If hot and engine running, and you get 0%, I would be surprised.

That would lead me to believe that you had a connection issue to the sensor. And if the connections good, then yes I would expect a bad sensor.

The CAT efficiency is directly related to the sensors being able to measure the O2. So, yes, that is related.
 

BeartheBruce

Ross-Tech, LLC
Apr 23, 2006
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Near Philadelphia, PA, USA
That's what it sounds like to me. I'd be tracing wiring and connections first. Seems highly unlikely that both would have failed simultaneously. Look for something in common that could knock them both out. Get a wiring diagram for that.
 

urbanracer8

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Mar 11, 2010
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Bridgwater, Somerset
when remapping dont they knock out the 2nd sensor anyway? also when i go into readines it says oxygen sensor failed or incomplete and cat failed or incomplete? would this prove it to?
 

BeartheBruce

Ross-Tech, LLC
Apr 23, 2006
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Near Philadelphia, PA, USA
If you are right that the remap knocks out the second sensor that CAT efficiency is also knocked out. Cat efficiency is calculated by looking at the front O2 and comparing to the rear O2. If you take one away, there is no way to measure CAT efficiency.

If the readiness test says the O2 failed, then it is pointing in the same direction.

Again, if what you say about the remap is true, then readiness tests will never set either. Seems to me, you need to talk to the tuner about all this.
 

urbanracer8

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Mar 11, 2010
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Bridgwater, Somerset
well i decided tonight to take turbo off, whilst in process of removing it found my TIP pipe by the dump valve had a split about an inch long in it, and also found there is a breather pipe from the crankcase i assume going into the TIP and there is a valve which is also ****ed compared to my friends 02 golf, u can blow tru both ways where u shouldnt be able to, so fingers crossed ill order these parts fit it and hopefully that should solve it.
 

urbanracer8

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Mar 11, 2010
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Bridgwater, Somerset
right its stopped the smoke upton startup, although when u drive slowly the car doesnt smoke when revving from idle up to bout 3k, although when u bean it and come to a stop and rev it it smokes so i assume this is turbo seals right? its just my old r5 when turbo went it smoked upon boost which mines doesnt any help would be good, thanks