Stage 2 Installed

[ChrisCurzon]

Hey guys well yesterday i went to dubsport to have stage 2 installed didn’t take them long to do it said they set it up right for me as i took the logs id done previously, once then done was off on my way only get 100 yards and bang coli pack blew so trip to the nearest dealer and another £30.

anyway after driving it around fro a bit didn’t feel any quicker they said had turned the timing up but lowered the boost 1 as was over boosting before. so I went out and did a bit of logging these are results i got for of all

	Group A:	'020				Group B:	'118				Group C:
		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization		RPM	Temperature	Load	Absolute Pres.	
	TIME					TIME					TIME
MARKER	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF	STAMP	 /min	°C	%	 mbar	STAMP
	0.37	0	0	0	0	0	1120	37	0	1010	
	1.17	0	0	0	0	0.77	1160	36	100	1010	
	1.97	0	0	0	0	1.57	1320	33	100	1090	
	2.88	0	0	0	0	2.48	1480	30	100	1190	
	3.68	0	0	0	0	3.28	1640	29	100	1260	
	4.48	0	0	0	0	4.08	1840	27	100	1350	
	5.28	0	0	0	0	4.88	2040	27	100	1490	
	6.08	0	0	0	0	5.68	2280	27	100	1670	
	6.87	0	0	0	0	6.48	2520	27	100	1910	
	7.67	0	0	0	0	7.27	2840	27	87.1	2260	
	8.47	0	0	0	0	8.07	3120	28	83.5	2320	
	9.28	0	0	0	0	8.88	3440	29	83.5	2240	
	10.18	0	0	0	0	9.78	3800	30	83.9	2200	
	10.98	0	0	0	0	10.58	4040	30	85.1	2170	
	11.89	0	0	0	0	11.38	4320	32	85.5	2160	
	12.69	0	0	0	0	12.29	4640	33	86.3	2090	
	13.49	0	0	0	0	13.09	4840	33	88.6	2020	
	14.27	0	0	0	0	13.87	5120	34	100	1940	
	23.97	0	0	0	0	14.77	16.8	231 001 200	50	  1    1	
	24.77	0	0	0	0	24.37	6880	40	100	1600

Group A:	'002				Group B:	'115				Group C:	 Not Running
		RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow		RPM	Load	Absolute Pres.	Absolute Pres.		
	TIME					TIME					TIME	
MARKER	STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s	STAMP	 /min	%	 mbar	 mbar	STAMP	
	0.4	1000	15	2.05	3.22	0	1000	14.3	1000	1010		
	1.18	1040	72.9	9.02	16.58	0.78	1040	33.1	1310	1010		
	1.98	1200	81.2	9.02	19.53	1.58	1120	80.5	1410	1050		
	2.78	1360	85.7	9.43	24.25	2.38	1280	82.7	1470	1130		
	3.58	1560	89.5	9.84	27.64	3.18	1440	87.2	1540	1200		
	4.38	1760	96.2	11.07	33.67	3.98	1640	91.7	1640	1280		
	5.18	1960	111.3	12.71	43.5	4.78	1840	103	1810	1370		
	6.09	2240	129.3	15.99	58.06	5.58	2080	118	2050	1550		
	6.89	2560	148.1	19.68	76.36	6.49	2400	137.6	2140	1800		
	7.69	2880	172.9	25.01	99.89	7.29	2720	163.9	2180	2110		
	8.49	3280	173.7	25.01	108.28	8.09	3080	175.9	2200	2340		
	9.29	3600	171.4	24.6	116.61	8.89	3440	175.9	2200	2260		
	10.09	3880	171.4	25.01	126.31	9.69	3800	169.2	2200	2190		
	10.89	4200	168.4	24.6	136.28	10.49	4080	170.7	2200	2180		
	11.69	4480	166.9	24.6	143.61	11.29	4360	166.2	2170	2150		
	12.49	4760	162.4	23.78	150.19	12.09	4640	164.7	2120	2100		
	13.29	5000	157.9	23.37	151.72	12.88	4880	159.4	2090	2020		
	14.09	5200	151.1	22.14	152.47	13.69	5160	154.9	2060	1920		
	14.99	5440	90	231 001 200	  0    1	14.49	5320	148.9	2030	1890		
	24.48	6960	114.3	16.81	151.86	24.08	6960	113.5	1850	1610		
	25.28	7000	114.3	13.53	153.47	24.88	7040	114.3	1650	1590

noticed straight away timing isn’t even trying now i don’t have a sps so couldn’t adjust it on there but do have leminwinks so decided to change the timing on there did it 1 by 1 and logged each time have only turn it up 2 notches and it felt loads quicker and picked up miles better than before here’s the logs of only cf's now

	Group A:	'020				Group B:
		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	
	TIME					TIME
MARKER	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF	STAMP
	0	0	0	0	0	
	0.4	0	0	0	0	
	0.8	0	0	0	0	
	1.2	0	0	0	0	
	1.6	0	0	0	0	
	2	0	0	0	0	
	2.59	0	0	0	0	
	2.99	0	0	0	0	
	3.49	0	0	0	0	
	3.88	0	0	0	0	
	4.28	0	0	0	0	
	4.68	0	0	0	0	
	5.09	0	0	0	0	
	5.48	0	0	0	0	
	5.88	0	0	0	0	
	6.28	0	0	0	0	
	6.69	0	0	0	0	
	7.08	0	0	0	0	
	7.48	0	0	0	0	
	7.88	0	0	0	0	
	8.3	0	0	0	0	
	8.68	0	0	0	0	
	9.08	0	0	0	0	
	9.5	0	0	0	0	
	9.98	0	0	0	0	
	10.4	0	0	0	0	
	10.89	0	0	0	0	
	11.29	0	0	0	0	
	11.69	0	0	0	0	
	12.09	0	0	0	0	
	12.49	0	0	0	0	
	12.89	0	0	0	0	
	13.29	0	0	0	0	
	13.69	0	0	0	0	
	14.09	0	0	0	0	
	14.49	0	0	0	0	
	14.89	0	0	0	0	
	15.29	0	0	0	0	
	15.69	0	0	0	0	
	16.09	0	0	0	0	
	16.49	0	0	0	0	
	16.89	0	0	0	0	
	17.29	0	0	0	0	
	17.69	0	0	0	0	
	18.09	0	0	0	0	
	18.49	0	0	0	0	
	18.89	0	0	0	0	
	19.29	0	0	0	0	
	19.79	0	0	0	0	
	20.19	0	0	0	0

as you can see no cf's across the bored so now my question is shall i keep turning the timing up on leminwinks until I start seeing cf's or do i leave it as it is.

what’s peoples comments on these logs would like to know what you think.

cheers
Chris

 

[m0rk]

What did youhave logs from before? Stage1? in which case they're pretty much meaningless if you now run totally different code.

I would say if you had a TIP you could get away with B9, T6/7 depending on your fuel & the inlet temps you see.

Don't use lemmiwinks

 

[ChrisCurzon]

yea they were from stage 1.

yea not got a tip yet is next on list i think. which block would you log in inlet temps then? allways use either v power or tesco 97 anyway.

was told it would do same as a sps for teh timming or is it not a good idea then?

 

[m0rk]

do a Throttle body alignment, and ECU reset now you have stage 2, do some logging, run it for a week, do some more logging - then tweek as required.

I'd use an SPS3, it's supported whereas Lemmiwinks isn't - and you have a wider scope to do something wrong/harmful with it if not careful

 

[ChrisCurzon]

okay ill do that later. am i logging the correct blocks to look at then?

dont have a sps3 at the min thats only reason i used lemmiwinks would't touch anything on there apart from the timming one and know how much im putting it up by so can allways put it back again after if dont go right.

 

[m0rk]

have a trawl of kev's SPS3 userguide

http://www.revotechnik.com/products/pdf/SPS3_advancedUserGuide060406.pdf

 

[PhilW]

Possibly small boost leak? Check out WG duty.

 

[ChrisCurzon]

is WG duty the % sign on the 118 log? should it not be at 100 all the time then i take it?

 

[cordobabrendy]

Your maf readings are a bit shat above 4500 revs, something could be restricting your top end flow. I doubt a dirty filter etc could cause that and my LC certainly sees some cfs when logging so something is maybe running a little off.

 

[ChrisCurzon]

ill give a log on just maf reading later see if its any better seems to be lower now than before when had stage 1.

you any idea of what could cause that or would it be cause i ahve standard tip?

 

[-pseudonymous-]

is WG duty the % sign on the 118 log? should it not be at 100 all the time then i take it?

No 100% means wastegate is shut and the turbo is trying its hardest to meet the requested boost. You should see around 100% to start with then should drop to 70-80% then rise agen towards redline.

Intake temps are in block 118 also. You should be able to run Boost 9 on stage 2 provided you've got all the required mods.

Looks like your turbo working near enough flat out to achieve that boost. Maybe a small boost leak some where.

 

[ChrisCurzon]

it does that at the min though or do you mean drop even further than it does at the min?

god know how id find that boost leak then if its only a small one

 

[acidstrato]

is fairly easy to spot a leak really, to start with, you just check all the vacuum connections to make sure its all connected correctly, then check over any tatty vac hoses, old standard ones tend to disintegrate

however, it does seem to be meeting requested, so not sure if there is a leak or not
would also say that maf flow is more than adequate for a k03

 

[Molehill_Mike]

Shoudl be seeing higher MAF readings fella, but timing looks good...borrow an SPS3 for like a week, and have a play... any idea what the timing is at the mo?

With an SPS2 you can go from 5-7-9 I think depending on fuel program chosen...

Mike

 

[ChrisCurzon]

iv chanegd all the old vac pipes to silicone ones and never seem to have a problem before if you look at old logs the Wg is totaly diffrent but as mork said they dont matter as was on stage 1 then

	Group A:	'020				Group B:	'118				Group C:
		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization		RPM	Temperature	Load	Absolute Pres.	
	TIME					TIME					TIME
MARKER	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF	STAMP	 /min	°C	%	 mbar	STAMP
	0.75	0	0.8	0	0	0.35	1000	30	0	1010	
	1.65	0	3	0	0	1.15	1080	31	95.3	1020	
	2.45	0	3	0	0	2.05	1240	29	95.3	1100	
	3.25	0	1.5	0	0	2.85	1400	27	95.3	1200	
	4.15	0	0	0	0	3.65	1600	26	95.3	1290	
	5.04	0	0	0	0	4.66	1840	26	95.3	1410	
	5.84	0	0	0	0	5.44	2080	25	95.3	1590	
	6.64	0	3	0	0	6.24	2400	25	95.3	1810	
	7.44	0	3	0	0	7.04	2760	26	82.4	2160	
	8.26	0	2.3	0	0	7.84	3080	27	80.8	2200	
	9.15	0	0.8	0	0	8.75	3560	27	86.3	2310	
	10.06	0	0	0	0	9.55	3880	29	87.5	2290	
	10.86	0	0	0	0	10.46	4320	30	87.1	2230	
	11.66	0	0	0	0	11.26	4640	32	87.5	2110	
	12.45	0	0	0	0	12.05	4960	33	86.7	2020	
	13.26	0	0	0	0	12.85	5200	33	87.5	1910	
	14.05	0	0	0	0	13.65	5360	34	87.5	1890	
	14.85	0	0	0	0	14.45	5600	35	86.3	1890	
	15.65	0	0	0	0	15.25	5760	36	85.5	1810	
	16.45	0	0	0	0	16.05	5960	36	85.9	1750	
	17.25	0	0	0	0	16.85	6120	37	86.3	1700	
	18.05	0	0	0	0	17.65	6280	37	83.9	1670	
	18.85	0	0	0	0	18.45	6440	38	80.8	1620	
	19.65	0	0	0	0	19.25	6560	38	78.4	1600	
	20.56	0	0	0	0	20.16	6720	38	78	1580	
	21.36	0	0	0	0	20.96	6840	39	78	1570	
	22.16	0	0	0	0	21.76	6960	39	78.4	1560	
	22.96	0	0	0	0	22.56	7080	39	14.9	1600

as you say though meets required boost

 

[ChrisCurzon]

Shoudl be seeing higher MAF readings fella, but timing looks good...borrow an SPS3 for like a week, and have a play... any idea what the timing is at the mo?

With an SPS2 you can go from 5-7-9 I think depending on fuel program chosen...

Mike

maf reading have allways been around that dont know if maf is slightly dodgy or somet.

problem is dont know any 1 with a sps to be able to borrow one.

no idea they said they set it for 97/98 ron fuel

 

[-pseudonymous-]

mid 80's are fine. but your also seeing a lot of 100's which means you turbo is working flat out. Im seeing mid 70's near enough all the way to redline but thats with a k03's.

RPM	Load %	A/F ratio
1040	72.9	15.62
1200	81.2	15.94
1360	85.7	16.68
1560	89.5	15.86
1760	96.2	15.16
1960	111.3	15.26
2240	129.3	14.08
2560	148.1	13.11
2880	172.9	11.95
3280	173.7	11.38
3600	171.4	11.35
3880	171.4	11.22
4200	168.4	11.37
4480	166.9	11.23
4760	162.4	11.45
5000	157.9	11.20
5200	151.1	11.44
6960	114.3	11.26
7000	114.3	14.13

There's your A/F ratio calculated from your MAF readings. Looks like your running rich which also points at a boost leak. Check your dump valve and all your intercooler pipes.

 

[-pseudonymous-]

Did you do a Throttle body allignment and reset the ecu after having Stage 2 installed?

 

[Molehill_Mike]

97program Timing is 7 I believe...

As for MAF I'm not sure...

 

[PhilW]

A/F looks spot on to me. low mid 11's is good.