Start / Stop

DEAN0

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Yes a dealership can tell if you change anything with the coding of any of the vehicles ECU's

That is true

BUT

The de-activation of the S/S system is done by changing the battery voltage threshold.

The number you use is well within the vehicles normal parameters so it would not flag as altered.
 

StylancePaul

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May 31, 2006
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That is true

BUT

The de-activation of the S/S system is done by changing the battery voltage threshold.

The number you use is well within the vehicles normal parameters so it would not flag as altered.

It could flag as altered as its not the value that was set when it left the factory. Unless the dealership were really looking for it comparing the vehicle adaptation map against standard they are unlikely to spot anything you change with VCDS.

One thing that I have seen reports of is where you get software updates applied by the dealer, these can revert coding and adaption's to factory defaults as that is the way the software flash works, just means when you get home you need to plug in to get everything back to how you like it.
 

Fmxvxx

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Indeed while the dealer may not notice it when running GFF for a warranty claim if any warranty work needs to be done on that control unit the information will be send to Seat who check the control unit coding against the coding that was set when it left the factory, any change = no warranty.
 

DEAN0

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Indeed while the dealer may not notice it when running GFF for a warranty claim if any warranty work needs to be done on that control unit the information will be send to Seat who check the control unit coding against the coding that was set when it left the factory, any change = no warranty.

My car was checked by the SVM ( System Version Management ) and reset to how it left the factory when they were coding a new map card to my car.

When the car came back to me :

Stop/start is still de-activated
The instruments and screen still have the carbon background.
The fan speed still shows when in auto.
The door LED's are still red regardless of mode.
The indicators still flash 4 times for lane change rather than 3.

What I am saying is that some parameters are already stored in the car and can be selected by VCDS or the dealers diagnostic computer.
 
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StylancePaul

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May 31, 2006
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My car was checked by the SVM ( System Version Management ) and reset to how it left the factory when they were coding a new map card to my car.

When the car came back to me :

Stop/start is still de-activated
The instruments and screen still have the carbon background.
The fan speed still shows when in auto.
The door LED's are still red regardless of mode.
The indicators still flash 4 times for lane change rather than 3.

What I am saying is that some parameters are already stored in the car and can be selected by VCDS or the dealers diagnostic computer.

Do you know which control module they flashed?
 

DEAN0

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Do you know which control module they flashed?

From the description given by the service manager - Everything was checked.

Basically they plug in to the diagnostic machine and it compares all the modules to the factory build recorded on the VW central database.

Then they load the new SD card to the car and input some codes that arrive with the card.

The codes allow the changes made ( new version of maps ) to become the stored build record for future reference.
 

StylancePaul

CUPRA Owner
May 31, 2006
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From the description given by the service manager - Everything was checked.

Basically they plug in to the diagnostic machine and it compares all the modules to the factory build recorded on the VW central database.

Then they load the new SD card to the car and input some codes that arrive with the card.

The codes allow the changes made ( new version of maps ) to become the stored build record for future reference.

There is a difference between that and what I'd referred to. If for some reason there was a need to re flash an entire module, lets say for example the CAN Gateway because of a software bug, the flashed software they would put on includes all the adaptation maps and coding as is from the factory, therefore your Start Stop would kick back in.

Even if they did flash your Infotainment module, none of the changes you have listed are contained within there, they are all in other modules, with the exception of the carbon background on the infotainment.
 
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DEAN0

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There is a difference between that and what I'd referred to. If for some reason there was a need to re flash an entire module, lets say for example the CAN Gateway because of a software bug, the flashed software they would put on includes all the adaptation maps and coding as is from the factory, therefore your Start Stop would kick back in.

Even if they did flash your Infotainment module, non of the changes you have listed are contained within there, they are all in other modules.


Take your word for that.

The service manager said that if ANY changes from factory are detected - the operator is asked by the machine if the changes should be reset to the build record.
 
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TonyFSC

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It works well with DSG, but in a manual you have to depress the clutch, apply the footbrake, select neutral, apply the handbrake and take your foot of the clutch and footbrake, by which time most traffic lights have changed.
Most drivers ride the clutch at the lights which is bad practice but very common.
Tony
 
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Stegor

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It works well with DSG, but in a manual you have to depress the clutch, apply the footbrake, select neutral, apply the handbrake and take your foot of the clutch and footbrake, by which time most traffic lights have changed.
Most drivers ride the clutch at the lights which is bad practice but very common.
Tony

I see it a different way. For me the DSG method is a pain (I have considered getting it switched off completely) and I was happy to keep the clutch depressed (when I had one) - never had a problem.
 

Johnny Leon

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It works well with DSG, but in a manual you have to depress the clutch, apply the footbrake, select neutral, apply the handbrake and take your foot of the clutch and footbrake, by which time most traffic lights have changed.
Tony

In my manual you don't need to apply the handbrake. As long as its out of gear and foot off clutch it kicks in below ~3mph - bit disconcerting at first as then until you come to a complete stop the wheel goes dead in your hands as there's no power steering. Noticeable if in traffic and coast up to car in front. Often turn it off then otherwise its kicking in and out every few seconds.
 

StevenM

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I'll happily turn it off for anyone on here if they so desire. It's easily reversible too.


Sent from my piece of shite iPhone - according to Muz.
 

Fmxvxx

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My car was checked by the SVM ( System Version Management ) and reset to how it left the factory when they were coding a new map card to my car.

When the car came back to me :

Stop/start is still de-activated
The instruments and screen still have the carbon background.
The fan speed still shows when in auto.
The door LED's are still red regardless of mode.
The indicators still flash 4 times for lane change rather than 3.

What I am saying is that some parameters are already stored in the car and can be selected by VCDS or the dealers diagnostic computer.

To code a map card is done Via SVM activations which is not the same as checking the full SVM codes against the factory list but it may be that it doesn't show I haven't had a car in before or after to compare it against But typically if you changed the coding it will either show in the SVM or Manually checking the hex and binary coding against the factory, the GFF log needs to be sent to seat before you can even check and most of the time you end up calling them to get the numbers.I think i may invest in vcds to test it against ODIS. There are a lot of things vcds can do that ODIS cant.
 

Stegor

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Cheers guys. I've stuck with it for over 2 years and will probably change the car in a few months so I may as well leave it as it is. Besides, I start the car and hit the stop/start off button without even thinking - it's a habit now!
 

StevenM

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Apr 2, 2013
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Yes, I did it using VCDS by changing the default temperature from -50degrees to 50degrees.

Have you got a copy of VCDS? I'll post up the details if so.


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