Sump pan replacement.

[Mr Pig]

Evening,

Sump pan on my car is leaking, a spot has rusted through and is porous. Steel pan, 2016 1.4 TSi. Not a job I've done before but it looks simple enough. Straight drop, nothing in the way but it does have an oil level sensor in it.

Tips? What do I need? will it be a gasket and sealer or just sealer? Is there a gasket for the sensor? Anyone know the torque values or where to find them?

Thank you :0)

 

[RUM4MO]

Not an answer, but are you planning on stripping the crap paint off the new sump when covering it with Hammerite satin black, to avoid this happening again.

I did that when I replaced the sump on a 1992 Ford Fiesta 1.1, it had grey paint, I could clean it all off using meths etc, proper rubbish paint, previous Fords had black paint and it probably lasted longer than the car would!

Most if not all VW Group cars now use sealant only, and from memory, the oil level sensor has a rubber gasket, I'll check both "things" later on a parts listing and post my findings.

 

[RUM4MO]

Sealant is D 176 501 A1 "Silicon sealant" - so ideally something that is equivalent to that

Oil level sensor O-ring is 038 103 196 B

 

[cairus]

Engine Code?

Use new screw(s).

Upper oil pan section: 8 Nm + 90°

Lower oil pan section: 12 Nm...all information is provided without warranty.

For engine Code:

CMBA
CXSA

 

[Mr Pig]

I'm not planning on painting the new pan as I'm looking to change the car soon. And this pan has lasted nearly ten years so I'm sure the replacement will outlast the car!

The only reason it rusted through was that the paint had come off a section of the pan. The rest of the pan is like new. Annoying thing is that I could see it being an issue and painted the area with Hammerite paint. It did not work. I'm not convinced Hammerite is much better than normal gloss paint.

Got a price from a local garage to change it and it's about the same price as buying the parts so I'll just let them do it. It'll be an after-market pan but that'll do for what it is. Seat dealer were more for the parts than other garage is to change it!

Got a price from another local garage I try not to use now. They're good but they've got a dizzy young girl on the desk who drives you mad. Has no clue about cars. She called me back with a price of £215 and said they could change the oil while they were at it but that would cost extra. So £215 does not include changing the oil? Yes. And how are you going to change the sump pan without changing the oil? Tumbleweed...

 

[Walone]

Got a price from another local garage I try not to use now. They're good but they've got a dizzy young girl on the desk who drives you mad. Has no clue about cars. She called me back with a price of £215 and said they could change the oil while they were at it but that would cost extra. So £215 does not include changing the oil? Yes. And how are you going to change the sump pan without changing the oil? Tumbleweed...

Not very nice disparaging a young girl who may be just starting out in life, maybe she just needs to learn/be taught, you hopefully, have had the wisdom of years to learn. Also, as to the oil change, I'm sure it would not be impossible to drain the oil into a clean container then put back into the engine.

 

[Mr Pig]

Not very nice disparaging a young girl who may be just starting out in life, maybe she just needs to learn/be taught, you hopefully, have had the wisdom of years to learn. Also, as to the oil change, I'm sure it would not be impossible to drain the oil into a clean container then put back into the engine.

The garage in question used to have a young girl on the desk who was very good. Not much older but you never had an issue with her. Then this new girl appeared beside her. It's not just that she doesn't know anything about cars, she doesn't seem very bright generally and barely seems to understand what you're asking. You ask her a question and she repeats it back completely incorrectly and you have to say 'no, that's not what I want!'. Turns out it's the owners daughter and the decent kid has left so now you're fecked.

Sorry, but I'm not this kid's social worker. If someone is in a job that effects the service I'm paying for I expect them to be capable of doing the job. The other garage I called does not have a child on the desk. Your call is answered by a mechanic. I've been here before. I used to look after about a dozen vehicles for the place I worked and the woman on reception at the garage we used drove me crazy. You'd ask for something to be done and when you picked the vehicle up they'd done something else because she'd passed the message on incorrectly.

The place I worked for over thirty years went bust at least partly because the owner made his son a director when his son was neither bright enough or business minded enough for the job. If this garage owner wants to put his daughter on the desk that's his choice but wanting to use a garage staffed by people with at least basic competency is mine.

Yes, you could reuse the oil but it's a risk. You'd need to make sure there was no dirt or debris in the catch tray and then keep the oil uncontaminated until it was time to put it back into the engine. I can't see that happening in a garage environment. I'll be asking for fresh oil and I'll check I got it.