Too Rich - Black smoke

Nabraxas

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Feb 11, 2007
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Well, another problem with my LCR :(

Within the past couple of weeks it's been going in to limp mode and showing the CEL.
Checked Vagcom and it's giving the code:

17535 - Fuel Trim; Bank 1 (Mult): System too Rich

Also black smoke appears to be coming from the exhaust - once I clear the code it appears to run ok for a while (although black smoke remains) then it'll go in to limp mode again.

Checked for boost leaks but there doesn't appear to be any, so, any other ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks!
 

james walker

cooling is the key people
May 24, 2007
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retford notts
have this on mine at the minute, maf changes tuesday, car drives like a dream after cleaning throttle body aswell...... but the code has come back after clearing it when changing maf.#

dunno if this is related in any way to that bloody whining i have
 

Nabraxas

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Feb 11, 2007
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Whining? Sure it's not a boost leak?

I have a loud 'hissing' noise on mine which turned out to be a boost leak on the pipe to the left of the intake manifold, worth checking.

Though my turbo sounds very loud anyway but never have managed to find any boost leak.
 

Nabraxas

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Swapped the MAF out yesterday - everything seemed fine until today when it's gone in to limp mode again :(

Any other ideas?
 

AwesomeSarah

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Mar 6, 2006
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There are Lambda`s and MAF , coolant temp sensors as daft as it sounds
Something is wrong , to be fair , if it does not get sorted you could damage the CAT , then it can cost a bit :( as they are expensive
So worth getting it done as soon as
Sorry
Sarah
 

Nabraxas

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Feb 11, 2007
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Any way of testing which it could be?

There's a smell of petrol in the oil too which I don't like :(
 

Mr Roboto

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Hope this is helpful


Black Smoke: Black smoke is caused by excess fuel that has entered the cylinder area and cannot be burned completely. Another term for excess fuel is "running rich." Poor fuel mileage is also a common complaint when black smoke comes out of the tailpipe. Black smoke out the tailpipe is the least cause for alarm. Excess fuel will usually effect engine performance, reduce fuel economy, and produce a fuel odor.

How did the fuel get into the cylinder in the first place? Some of the causes of excess fuel are a carburetor that is out of adjustment, a faulty fuel pump, a leaky fuel injector, or a faulty engine computer or computer sensor. If black smoke is present, check the engine oil as in the white smoke example to make sure excess fuel has not contaminated it. Do not start the engine if a heavy, raw fuel smell can be detected in the engine oil. Call your mechanic and advise him of what you have found.



White smoke: White smoke is caused by water and or antifreeze entering the cylinder, and the engine trying to burn it with the fuel. The white smoke is steam. There are special gaskets (head gaskets are the primary gaskets) that keep the antifreeze from entering the cylinder area. The cylinder is where the fuel and air mixture are being compressed and burned. Any amount of antifreeze that enters this area will produce a white steam that will be present at the tailpipe area.

If white smoke is present, check to see if the proper amount of antifreeze is inside the radiator and the overflow bottle. Also check to see if antifreeze has contaminated the engine oil. You can look at the engine oil dipstick, or look at the under side of the engine oil filler cap. If the oil is contaminated with antifreeze, it will have the appearance of a chocolate milkshake. Do not start the engine if the oil is contaminated with antifreeze, as serious internal engine damage can result.

How did antifreeze get in the oil or cylinder in the first place? The engine probably overheated and a head gasket failed due to excessive heat, thus allowing antifreeze to enter the cylinder (Where it is not meant to be).

Blue Smoke: Blue smoke is caused by engine oil entering the cylinder area and being burned along with the fuel air mixture. As with the white smoke, just a small drop of oil leaking into the cylinder can produce blue smoke out the tailpipe. Blue smoke is more likely in older or higher mileage vehicles than newer cars with fewer miles.

How did the engine oil get inside the cylinder in the first place? The car has many seals, gaskets, and O-rings that are designed to keep the engine oil from entering the cylinder, and one of them has failed. If too much oil leaks into the cylinder and fouls the spark plug, it will cause a misfire (engine miss) in that cylinder, and the spark plug will have to be replaced or cleaned of the oil. Using thicker weight engine oil or an oil additive designed to reduce oil leaks might help reduce the amount of oil leaking into the cylinder
 
Mar 3, 2008
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you say the lcr is hissing? that points to a boost leak and that will def cause black/blue smoke
you need to go over it with a fine tooth comb....
 

james walker

cooling is the key people
May 24, 2007
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retford notts
check under the inlet manifold... 2 pipes one from a nipple under the manny. youll have to remove the plastic trim and the metal tray under it to see.

thats where mine was, hissing and produced the same fault code.

fixed it diy today... dont go buying dealer oem part if thats what it is, i payed £2.45 to fix mine.
 

Nabraxas

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It's always had a hiss to it - think it's probably the Jabba induction kit, checked for boost leaks again though and can't find anything; I've even compressed the system slightly with a pump to see if I can hear hissing but nothing.

Are there any logs I can do on Vagcom to check coolant sensor/Lambda sensor?
 

Nabraxas

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Feb 11, 2007
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I've done a log of blocks 032 and 033 on VagCom and here are the results:

Code:
Friday	10	July	2009	22:10:25				
1ML 906 032 		1.8l R4/5VT      01 0001						
								
	Group A:	'032				Group B:	'033	
		Lambda	Lambda	Bin. Bits	Bin. Bits		Lambda	Voltage
	TIME					TIME		
Marker	STAMP	%	%			STAMP	%	 V
	0	0.0	0.0	        	        	0.38	-7	1.12
	0.8	0.0	0.0	        	        	1.2	-7	1.12
	1.61	0.0	0.0	        	        	2.11	0	0.48
	2.51	0.0	0.0	        	        	2.91	-13.3	0.7
	3.31	0.0	0.0	        	        	3.73	0	0.04
	4.13	0.0	0.0	        	        	4.53	0	0.02
	4.93	0.0	0.0	        	        	5.33	0	0.02
	5.73	0.0	0.0	        	        	6.13	0	0.02
	6.54	0.0	0.0	        	        	7.04	0	0.02
	7.44	0.0	0.0	        	        	7.84	0	0.14
	8.24	0.0	0.0	        	        	8.65	0	0.14
	9.05	0.0	0.0	        	        	9.45	25	1.6

032 showing 0.0 consistantly, is this right?
 

s4oopie

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Jul 9, 2009
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the car wash ;)
dont think the fpr would make a noise but would defo (if its up the shoot ) cause over fueling ! last car i had the fpr went pop should have been good as it was an fsi item but endeed up burning a nice 10pence piece hole in 2 piston:( bye bye ovlov 480 2.0 gt :cry:
 
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Nabraxas

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Feb 11, 2007
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We have another code courtesy of VagCom:

17861 P1453 Exhaust gas temperature sensor 1 open/short to B+

What is the Exhaust Gas Temp Sensor? Where is it? And would it cause the overfuelling issue?

Thanks!
 

Nabraxas

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Feb 11, 2007
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Sorted the 17862 but 17535 is still appearing:

Block 032 is now showing:

2.5% -25.0%

Not sure if this helps at all?

Not sure it's the coolant sensor as VagCom was reporting coolant temp as 97c when it had been running a white - any help appreciated. :)
 
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