not sure i get why people want to do this.. but:
this thread discussed LED type fog lights.
http://seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=250978
this thread discussed LED type fog lights.
http://seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=250978
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Hate people that drive around with foglights on and HID foglights is about as chav as you can get 
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Hate people that drive around with foglights on and HID foglights is about as chav as you can get
Yep, nothing worse than people misusing there fog lights, but I'm not sure how you can say it's Chav. I have hids in mine and so far, they've been on twice - both times for pictures
Front foglights are only useful in fog, when visibility is so bad that even dipped headlights produce a wall of white in front of you. They are low, wide, pointed down and diffuse and are for illuminating the edges of the road for a few feet in front of you, at low speed, to avoid being completely helpless in fog.
HID's, or even brighter incandescent bulbs, will make them worse at their job, generating more backscattered light.
They would be firmly in the realm or "neither use nor ornament", the main effect will be to irritate other road users. Your choice, of course.
HID's, or even brighter incandescent bulbs, will make them worse at their job, generating more backscattered light.
They would be firmly in the realm or "neither use nor ornament", the main effect will be to irritate other road users. Your choice, of course.
Yep, nothing worse than people misusing there fog lights, but I'm not sure how you can say it's Chav. I have hids in mine and so far, they've been on twice - both times for pictures
HIDs arent chav but driving around with fog light on all the time when theirs no fog is, regardless of country lane or not or HIDs fitted or not. Sorry just a pet hate
HIDs arent chav but driving around with fog light on all the time when theirs no fog is, regardless of country lane or not or HIDs fitted or not. Sorry just a pet hate
I agree. Its also a pet hate of mine. But I never mentioned driving with mine on. I poted about mine and evryone instantly jumped on aying they hate it. I got the kit cheap and wanted it, and like I say I've had them on twice. And I quite regularly drive in thick fog, but I fond front fog lights to be pretty useless
So why does everyone complain that they get blinded by them? they aren't half as bad as people who have headlights pointing skywards, or, infact, standard HID kits coming up a hill which stab you in the eyes with light!!
Turned my fog light on the other day in really thick fog and they did fook all completley piontless with bi-xenons. Its just where i live the only people that have them on need shooting.
totaly agree about the incorrectly dipped HIDs they are even worse.
I dont know what it is, but I swear this year it seems like every other car has wrongly adjusted headlights glaring in your face?!
leon cupra r wrote
So why does everyone complain that they get blinded by them?
I can't speak for others, but I've never been blinded or even made uncomfortable by the brightness of front fogs wrongly left lit in clear weather. However, for some reason, I find them extremely irritating, as to many others that have posted here, and elsewhere. It's completely irrational, but it drives some to distraction. You have to agree that this is not a good thing.
A properly fitted front foglight should be pointed down at 3° or so, much more steeply than dipped headlights. (Construction and Usage regulations). They are legal only if used instead of headlamps: this should tell you what conditions they are appropriate for.
If the lights in the foglamp positions are modified so as to point straight ahead, perhaps replaced with focussed fittings or projectors, then they have been turned into auxiliary headlamps, and must be arranged to light up only when full beam is selected, and extinguish when lamps are dipped.
they aren't half as bad as people who have headlights pointing skywards, or, infact, standard HID kits coming up a hill which stab you in the eyes with light!!
That's one of the reasons I'm not in favour of aftermarket HID kits. OEM HID's have to be self-levelling, in order to avoid that issue. Badly adjusted HID's are a serious problem, as they affect your vision for a while afterwards.
So why does everyone complain that they get blinded by them?
I can't speak for others, but I've never been blinded or even made uncomfortable by the brightness of front fogs wrongly left lit in clear weather. However, for some reason, I find them extremely irritating, as to many others that have posted here, and elsewhere. It's completely irrational, but it drives some to distraction. You have to agree that this is not a good thing.
A properly fitted front foglight should be pointed down at 3° or so, much more steeply than dipped headlights. (Construction and Usage regulations). They are legal only if used instead of headlamps: this should tell you what conditions they are appropriate for.
If the lights in the foglamp positions are modified so as to point straight ahead, perhaps replaced with focussed fittings or projectors, then they have been turned into auxiliary headlamps, and must be arranged to light up only when full beam is selected, and extinguish when lamps are dipped.
they aren't half as bad as people who have headlights pointing skywards, or, infact, standard HID kits coming up a hill which stab you in the eyes with light!!
That's one of the reasons I'm not in favour of aftermarket HID kits. OEM HID's have to be self-levelling, in order to avoid that issue. Badly adjusted HID's are a serious problem, as they affect your vision for a while afterwards.
cocadave wrote
i have hid headlights and have had quite a lot of heavy fog lately and has been murder driving in it, anyway thought i'd switch on the foggys to help a bit and in all honesty they made it worse surely having hid fogs they should cut through the fog
Sigh
Look, what do you think is happening in fog: when you switch on powerful lights aimed straight ahead, all you can see is a wall of white, less than you can see with only sidelights on.
The water droplets in the fog reflect the light from your car back at you, so the more light you pump into the cloud, the brighter the wall of white in front of you.
The only chance you have of seeing anything useful is to keep the light low and diffuse, not focussed. Then the backscattered light is kept in the plane of illumination, low, and you can see the kerbs, edges of the tarmac, white lines and so on.
You aren't going to get much range, more power just means more backscatter and impedes your ability to see anything. These lights are meant for conditions where you'd otherwise be out in front with a white stick.
On a completely unrelated note: posting without capital letters, punctuation or any kind of sentence construction implies that you don't give a **** about the people who are reading your scribble, your audience, the ones you are trying to convince. You care so little for them that you leave it up to them to make some considerable effort to translate your stream-of-consciousness ramblings into some kind of sense. At the very least this is thoughtlessly rude.
i have hid headlights and have had quite a lot of heavy fog lately and has been murder driving in it, anyway thought i'd switch on the foggys to help a bit and in all honesty they made it worse
surely having hid fogs they should cut through the fog Sigh
Look, what do you think is happening in fog: when you switch on powerful lights aimed straight ahead, all you can see is a wall of white, less than you can see with only sidelights on.
The water droplets in the fog reflect the light from your car back at you, so the more light you pump into the cloud, the brighter the wall of white in front of you.
The only chance you have of seeing anything useful is to keep the light low and diffuse, not focussed. Then the backscattered light is kept in the plane of illumination, low, and you can see the kerbs, edges of the tarmac, white lines and so on.
You aren't going to get much range, more power just means more backscatter and impedes your ability to see anything. These lights are meant for conditions where you'd otherwise be out in front with a white stick.
On a completely unrelated note: posting without capital letters, punctuation or any kind of sentence construction implies that you don't give a **** about the people who are reading your scribble, your audience, the ones you are trying to convince. You care so little for them that you leave it up to them to make some considerable effort to translate your stream-of-consciousness ramblings into some kind of sense. At the very least this is thoughtlessly rude.
cocadave wrote
i have hid headlights and have had quite a lot of heavy fog lately and has been murder driving in it, anyway thought i'd switch on the foggys to help a bit and in all honesty they made it worse
Sigh
Look, what do you think is happening in fog: when you switch on powerful lights aimed straight ahead, all you can see is a wall of white, less than you can see with only sidelights on.
The water droplets in the fog reflect the light from your car back at you, so the more light you pump into the cloud, the brighter the wall of white in front of you.
The only chance you have of seeing anything useful is to keep the light low and diffuse, not focussed. Then the backscattered light is kept in the plane of illumination, low, and you can see the kerbs, edges of the tarmac, white lines and so on.
You aren't going to get much range, more power just means more backscatter and impedes your ability to see anything. These lights are meant for conditions where you'd otherwise be out in front with a white stick.
On a completely unrelated note: posting without capital letters, punctuation or any kind of sentence construction implies that you don't give a **** about the people who are reading your scribble, your audience, the ones you are trying to convince. You care so little for them that you leave it up to them to make some considerable effort to translate your stream-of-consciousness ramblings into some kind of sense. At the very least this is thoughtlessly rude.
sorry mutley wasn't trying to annoy any body being thoughtlessly rude but being computer literate is not my strong point as i didn.t have access to a computer when i was growing up also i don't sit and work with a computer all day day in day out (i believe there should have been a coma somewhere round there but never mind) and not to mention its 11.20pm which isn't that late unless you have been up since 4.45am.
anyway back to the fog lights, (there it is)
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what i was saying is that i could at the time see more clearly with my HID's than i could with my OEM fog lights lit up, therefore i had the strange thought that if i had HID fogs i would have been able to see better as they are pointing at the correct angle and they would still be in the same position in the bumper so the light would still be kept low, scattered and not projected in a beam.while we're on topic of fog loghts, what do you think to the morrons who forget to turn the rear fogs off when its not foggy or better yet the fools who turn them on when they are clearly not needed?
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