Yes but its a lower powered version altho some dyno's are showing otherwise.They did take the powerplant out of the S3
They did take the powerplant out of the S3
you could say that about the mk5 gti to fr or the s3 to lcr or tt to lcr.
if any one read my post you would notice that seat have been seen testing what seems to be a v6 but have no plans or firm plans to build one.
and even if they had it would be very unlikely to come here as the cupra4 never even made it here! if they were to make a flapship model it wont be in the near future cause the rs3 is well off due to audi announcing only one rs model at a time, the current rs4 will stop production next year i believe and be taken over by the rs6 [ a reworked turbo v10 ] but with the rumours of an r36 i would see an rs3 first allowing seat to have the 3.2 unit. wo knows all i know is seat is working on building there model line up so a new leon wont be on the cards just yet!
Something else to bear in mind here, is brand image.
Seat are the youthful sporty brand in the VAG camp. They are marketed as this, the image of the cars reflect this and they pretend to be nothing but this. They don't claim to be executive cars, they are either normal, solid cars for normal people... or youthful, sporty cars for youthful, sporty people.
Bear that in mind, and then look at the cars that use the 3.2 engine. The A3 3.2 Quattor and the R32 are both sports-executive cars. Cars designed for cruising long distance in a sporty way. Also notice how the cars that wear the 'performance' hat in VW and Audi's ranges are smaller, turbo charged engines. I'm thinking the S3, GTi and GTi 30th Ed with the 2.0T engine.
VAG have stuck to this for a while now. Big NA engine = Sporty executive car. Smaller Turbo engine = Performance car.
So I cannot see them mixing these ideas and sticking a big NA engine into a brand that's known for being sporty and fun.
Seat are the youthful sporty brand in the VAG camp. They are marketed as this, the image of the cars reflect this and they pretend to be nothing but this. They don't claim to be executive cars, they are either normal, solid cars for normal people... or youthful, sporty cars for youthful, sporty people.
Bear that in mind, and then look at the cars that use the 3.2 engine. The A3 3.2 Quattor and the R32 are both sports-executive cars. Cars designed for cruising long distance in a sporty way. Also notice how the cars that wear the 'performance' hat in VW and Audi's ranges are smaller, turbo charged engines. I'm thinking the S3, GTi and GTi 30th Ed with the 2.0T engine.
VAG have stuck to this for a while now. Big NA engine = Sporty executive car. Smaller Turbo engine = Performance car.
So I cannot see them mixing these ideas and sticking a big NA engine into a brand that's known for being sporty and fun.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if in a few years time there is a special edition Leon Cupra with the S3 claimed power output. If the"R" has officially been dropped then it could just be a rework of the current model.
Two clowns/service desk people in my local SEAT dealer told me about there being a 3.2 Leon back inFeb, (called it a 3.3 though the simpletons). They were both dead excited about it. Probably bollocks, these are the same idiots that asked me if my "R" was petrol or diesel.
Isn't the Mark V Golf platform being redone next year anyway for a Mk VI? Could be a shortlived Leon this.
I bet the Mk II Cupra a great car, such a shame it looks like a fooking people carrier and my local SEAT dealer is shocking or I'd be interested in one (having just sold my LCR)....
Two clowns/service desk people in my local SEAT dealer told me about there being a 3.2 Leon back inFeb, (called it a 3.3 though the simpletons). They were both dead excited about it. Probably bollocks, these are the same idiots that asked me if my "R" was petrol or diesel.
Isn't the Mark V Golf platform being redone next year anyway for a Mk VI? Could be a shortlived Leon this.
I bet the Mk II Cupra a great car, such a shame it looks like a fooking people carrier and my local SEAT dealer is shocking or I'd be interested in one (having just sold my LCR)....
thats right a mkVI on the on way and has been brought a head of schedule
but just think how long after the iv the mk1 leon came it was 2-3 years then the mk2 came 1 year after the mkV
I think you'll find your wrong, mate. As others have already pointed out, mate.
Ok I apologise 
I spoke to my Seat dealer the other day re the Leon MkII Cupra R and he said it was very unlikely as SEAT believe they have no market above the £20K price bracket for the Leon.
I had a MkII Cupra as a courtesy car for the day while I had my fourth front splitter fitted (damn car-parks) and it was nice but I don't like the styling and the interior looks and feels cheap.
I was glad to get back in mine.
OJ
I had a MkII Cupra as a courtesy car for the day while I had my fourth front splitter fitted (damn car-parks) and it was nice but I don't like the styling and the interior looks and feels cheap.
I was glad to get back in mine.
OJ
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Hi Jon.
It handled very well - brakes are over-servo'd. They went for the R32 set-up (345mm) over the Brembos in the end as the Brembos kept warping in testing. I have a friend who has two race tuned LCR's he uses for tuition and he has upgraded the disks to 330mm grooved (from 323) and replaced the bell with a custom unit from AP racing and he now gets 6/7 track days out of pair of disks rather than just one and can out break most of the other cars there. He swears by the Brembos.
Anyway, back to the Cupra. It feels much more sure-footed on the road then my LCR (less prone to tramline and sucking you into verges like mine does) and is easier to put power down in all gears. Has a really nice sound to the exhaust/engine and has a bit more travel in each gear which makes overtaking much less work but it didn't have the sparkle I feel in mine. It is true that they have pretty much eliminated torque steer yet when inside the car you could be forgiven for thinking you were in a Vauxhall. There is not sense of being inside something quite unique which I get in mine.
Most people would agree it doesn't have the visual presence of the LCR, the seats looked great in the photos but I wasn't impressed with them when I saw them although they are comfortable. Its nice to have controls on the steering wheel too but the decision when I handed the keys back was it was not worth upgrading mine. It is comparible to how i felt in my old Cupra before upgrading to the LCR. It is just ok.
It handled very well - brakes are over-servo'd. They went for the R32 set-up (345mm) over the Brembos in the end as the Brembos kept warping in testing. I have a friend who has two race tuned LCR's he uses for tuition and he has upgraded the disks to 330mm grooved (from 323) and replaced the bell with a custom unit from AP racing and he now gets 6/7 track days out of pair of disks rather than just one and can out break most of the other cars there. He swears by the Brembos.
Anyway, back to the Cupra. It feels much more sure-footed on the road then my LCR (less prone to tramline and sucking you into verges like mine does) and is easier to put power down in all gears. Has a really nice sound to the exhaust/engine and has a bit more travel in each gear which makes overtaking much less work but it didn't have the sparkle I feel in mine. It is true that they have pretty much eliminated torque steer yet when inside the car you could be forgiven for thinking you were in a Vauxhall. There is not sense of being inside something quite unique which I get in mine.
Most people would agree it doesn't have the visual presence of the LCR, the seats looked great in the photos but I wasn't impressed with them when I saw them although they are comfortable. Its nice to have controls on the steering wheel too but the decision when I handed the keys back was it was not worth upgrading mine. It is comparible to how i felt in my old Cupra before upgrading to the LCR. It is just ok.
My LCR was in for an MOT yesterday and I took the time to look round the new Cupra... I actually like the look of it from the front but it all goes horribly wrong as you move to the side and the rear is even worse... The LCR has a subtle wide and planted stance from the back, whereas the new one looks too tall and ungainly imo.
I asked at the Service Desk about a possible Mk2 Cupra R and the guy said "Yes they are going to make one, but not for a whle yet"
I asked at the Service Desk about a possible Mk2 Cupra R and the guy said "Yes they are going to make one, but not for a whle yet"
I prefer the look of the new Cupra to the LCR. It just looks a lot more modern than the now dating LCR shape. I just always get the impression MK1 owners are kidding themselves a bit really, it IS a better car
Still, the interior is FUUUGLY, and I love my LCR to bits (when it's not breaking).
Still, the interior is FUUUGLY, and I love my LCR to bits (when it's not breaking).
I have always liked the Audi A3 shape hence my affection for the LCR and you are right, the new Cupra does look more modern I just wish it it looked like a range topper, it is far too similar to the FR.
The body kit they do for the Leon is not worth the £2-3k it costs and as much as it now has a better engine, better handling, better spec and will most likely sell more units I still prefer the LCR. I think my issue is the new one is too conformist, they have taken a lion, clipped its claws, shaved its mane off and put a muzzle on it just to appeal to a wider audience. You have to really drive the LCR and it is enjoyable to do so - the new Cupra is just too mature and I think it has lost its identity.
I am sad to say the LCR is the last SEAT I will be buying.
The body kit they do for the Leon is not worth the £2-3k it costs and as much as it now has a better engine, better handling, better spec and will most likely sell more units I still prefer the LCR. I think my issue is the new one is too conformist, they have taken a lion, clipped its claws, shaved its mane off and put a muzzle on it just to appeal to a wider audience. You have to really drive the LCR and it is enjoyable to do so - the new Cupra is just too mature and I think it has lost its identity.
I am sad to say the LCR is the last SEAT I will be buying.
I'd have to agree with that. It's going to be a fair while until I'll get to the time when I want to change cars, but I can't see anything in the Seat range that interests me. The LCR was fantastic because of the performance it offered for the price, which combined with excellent practicality made it unbeatable. But there are loads of cars that can claim that these days, many of which do it better than the Mk2 Cupra.
Hi Rob!
Never a truer word spoken. The SEATs and Skodas of this world are certainly a wiser investment than their VW and Audi counterparts. I think my 55 plate would still fetch c £15K trade in.
I have always liked the S3 but the LCR is so much more unique and there are less of them on the roads, the build quality is not comparible to an Audi but for the £8K saving I think the LCR is a much better package overall.
I am, and have always been, a massive Audi fan yet to me a car should be an expression of the individual driving it. I want something that turns peoples heads, surprises them on a motorway run yet you can still carry five people with a washing machine in the boot. The LCR is all those things and more and being a VAG offshoot opens doors to such tuning potential too which as hard as I tried to resist I have already started spending money tweaking things.
I had a track day at Donnington a couple of weeks ago in an M3 and it was the best day I have ever had. I am seriously considering an M3 CSL but i would be saddened to lose the LCR. The bloke who tutored me for the day has two race prepped Cupra Rs that he teaches in, he had a go in mine and it was amazing how different a car she was in his hands. I was truly humbled.
I have some questions if you don't mind. Where did you get the sunglasses holder from? Do you have any pictures? I lost my sunglasses hole when they fitted the speaker for the traffic master that came with the car (bitterly regret that decision due to a creaky interior cabin ever since). Did you go for the DS 2500 pads? What do you think of them?
Never a truer word spoken. The SEATs and Skodas of this world are certainly a wiser investment than their VW and Audi counterparts. I think my 55 plate would still fetch c £15K trade in.
I have always liked the S3 but the LCR is so much more unique and there are less of them on the roads, the build quality is not comparible to an Audi but for the £8K saving I think the LCR is a much better package overall.
I am, and have always been, a massive Audi fan yet to me a car should be an expression of the individual driving it. I want something that turns peoples heads, surprises them on a motorway run yet you can still carry five people with a washing machine in the boot. The LCR is all those things and more and being a VAG offshoot opens doors to such tuning potential too which as hard as I tried to resist I have already started spending money tweaking things.
I had a track day at Donnington a couple of weeks ago in an M3 and it was the best day I have ever had. I am seriously considering an M3 CSL but i would be saddened to lose the LCR. The bloke who tutored me for the day has two race prepped Cupra Rs that he teaches in, he had a go in mine and it was amazing how different a car she was in his hands. I was truly humbled.
I have some questions if you don't mind. Where did you get the sunglasses holder from? Do you have any pictures? I lost my sunglasses hole when they fitted the speaker for the traffic master that came with the car (bitterly regret that decision due to a creaky interior cabin ever since). Did you go for the DS 2500 pads? What do you think of them?
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Thats exactly whats holding me back from trading mine in for the mk2, the LCR has grown on me so much over the past 3 years, back when I bought the car I would never have believed it could drive as well as it does now and I'm just your average driver.
Seems the trend with modern cars is to fit them with fancy gizmos and set them up in such a way that they handle well in even the most novice drivers hands, its good for massaging ego's but the downside can be that they don't have much more to give. Someone mentioned in a BTCC thread that your average joe could probably get a laptime not far off a race driver in the new cupra.
Personally I like the challenge of learning to drive a new car and honing your skills to make it perform as well as it can, i think it gives you a sense of achievement and thats what a drivers car is all about
Hi Jon,
I spent a day being tutored on the roads as if I was a Police T5 driver (he is AIM and ROSPA qualified etc) and this included whizzing up and down that road with the cat and fiddle at the top. It was amazing how many bad habits I had and how badly I was driving the car. She was a different machine in his hands - faster, sharper braking with no fade it was awe inspiring. The second day he spent with me at Donnington in an M3. I got about 4 hours on the track and it was the best thing i have ever done. By the end of the day no one could get past me and I was leaving them on the corners.
It has really opened my eyes, I have bought the Police manuals for driving since and been practising. Weird thing is I am driving more confidently, getting better MPG and the car feels like new again.
I used to think I was quite a good driver but he destroyed all of that in less than an hour, now I know I have a lot to learn and it will never end but it is something i am really enjoying doing. Going to get some more practise in then book another day of tuition!
What surprises me the most is that a car like ours in the right hands can shame cars 3 times the price with twice as much power! You shouldn't get rid of yours.
I spent a day being tutored on the roads as if I was a Police T5 driver (he is AIM and ROSPA qualified etc) and this included whizzing up and down that road with the cat and fiddle at the top. It was amazing how many bad habits I had and how badly I was driving the car. She was a different machine in his hands - faster, sharper braking with no fade it was awe inspiring. The second day he spent with me at Donnington in an M3. I got about 4 hours on the track and it was the best thing i have ever done. By the end of the day no one could get past me and I was leaving them on the corners.
It has really opened my eyes, I have bought the Police manuals for driving since and been practising. Weird thing is I am driving more confidently, getting better MPG and the car feels like new again.
I used to think I was quite a good driver but he destroyed all of that in less than an hour, now I know I have a lot to learn and it will never end but it is something i am really enjoying doing. Going to get some more practise in then book another day of tuition!
What surprises me the most is that a car like ours in the right hands can shame cars 3 times the price with twice as much power! You shouldn't get rid of yours.
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