God damn mother fudging Cupra!!!

[&rew]

Ok, so I just got a phone call regarding my gearbox refurb that's been happening. Basically, it can't be refurbed as it's so screwed. Fair enough, re-conditioned box can go in, all the problems should be sorted... But then the guy tells me that whilst they had the gearbox out, they noticed that the clutch was 3/4 worn... Yet, I know for a fact that the previous owner had a new clutch put in the car around a year ago! What the hell is going on?!

Anyone think gearbox problems could have put extra wear on the clutch?

 

[Cupra Kev]

I imagine they've checked this, but found my clutch slip was actually caused by a failed seal on the output allowing gearbox oil onto the clutch which wore my clutch out a lot quicker than it should - possibly related?

 

[&rew]

I imagine they've checked this, but found my clutch slip was actually caused by a failed seal on the output allowing gearbox oil onto the clutch which wore my clutch out a lot quicker than it should - possibly related?

Hmm, I guess it could be. I'll have a word with the guys asap. Although, I haven't had any problems with the clutch at all. So to be told it's 3/4 worn is a pretty big shock. I guess it's entirely possible that a seal has been knackered with all the problems the gearbox seems to be having. Apparently third gear has been carving it's way through the gearbox casing...

 

[UncleFester]

Hmm, I guess it could be. I'll have a word with the guys asap. Although, I haven't had any problems with the clutch at all. So to be told it's 3/4 worn is a pretty big shock. I guess it's entirely possible that a seal has been knackered with all the problems the gearbox seems to be having. Apparently third gear has been carving it's way through the gearbox casing...

Which will have released loads of swarf into the oil and if that's got onto the clutch with all its little passengers then it will have made a right mess of things. Clutches are cheap enough as long as it's just a clutch and doesn't need a new DMF too .

 

[matylad]

I’m also having a problem with 3rd gear. What were the symptoms of your 3rd gear being goosed?

I’ve been quoted some serious figures for a new clutch, flywheel and release bearing. At near enough 60k I might as well get them changed them while the box is off. I’m lead to believe that the standard clutches are made by LUK and GSF sell these parts a lot cheaper than the dealers, can anyone confirm this?

Cheers, Matt

 

[&rew]

Which will have released loads of swarf into the oil and if that's got onto the clutch with all its little passengers then it will have made a right mess of things. Clutches are cheap enough as long as it's just a clutch and doesn't need a new DMF too .

Yep, that and the fact that there's a bearing that's collapsing, which means other bits of swarf. Oh and third gear has been rubbing the selector mesh... Currently having a love/hate relationship with my beloved LC right now...

 

[&rew]

I’m also having a problem with 3rd gear. What were the symptoms of your 3rd gear being goosed?

Third gear was making a whining noise on over-run. So when downshifting into thrid or coming off the power in third. What's happened is that a bearing is collapsing, allowing the gear to move around and do what it wants. It only got really noticeable a couple of months ago, I wish I'd done something about it insstantly as it may have been a refurb job instead of a new box...

 

[matylad]

Sounds similar to mine. Down the box into 3rd as the revs rise you get a whirring/whining type noise and then on over run your can hear it growling and whirring.

I’ve found this place that sells refurbished boxes http://www.volkswagenspares.com/page.php?page=Gearboxes

I know what you mean about the love hate relationship, driving me up the wall at the minute.

Cheers, Matt.

 

[&rew]

Sounds similar to mine. Down the box into 3rd as the revs rise you get a whirring/whining type noise and then on over run your can hear it growling and whirring.

I’ve found this place that sells refurbished boxes http://www.volkswagenspares.com/page.php?page=Gearboxes

I know what you mean about the love hate relationship, driving me up the wall at the minute.

Cheers, Matt.

My advice would be to get it sorted ASAP! Don't bother going to SEAT, just find a good local gearbox specialist. My local SEAT place actually said that it wasn't worth me having them do the work as they couldn't compete on price! Honesty at last, I like it!

The place that are doing the work are sorting out the refurbed box, but cheers for the link, if they charge me a silly amount for the new box I'll be showing them that site and asking questions.

Yeah, mine is doing my nut. There's so much that I want to do with the car - new exhaust system and a few bits of bodywork need sorting for starters - but now I won't be able to afford them this side of Christmas probably!

 

[Cupra Kev]

Can give a rough price on clutch/flywheel replacement as had it done a few weeks ago

Clutch & Slave cylinder (release bearing) - £204 inc VAT
DMF - £411 inc VAT
Seal for output shaft - £5 inc VAT
Gearbox oil - £9.50 inc VAT
Master cylinder - £55 inc VAT
Labour to replace clutch/flywheel - 4.8 hours - £350 inc VAT
Labour to replace master cylinder - 1.2 hours - £88 inc VAT

So clutch/release bearing, flywheel, gearbox oil and labour is going to be roughly £975 (this was local independant garage, not SEAT/VAG but used OEM parts)

 

[Rocky Rocastle]

are there any other symptoms of the gearbox failing. I know 2 of you mention this whining noise in third which i sometimes get, it seems louder than any other gear on over run as you say but tbh everything feels fine kinda worried now

 

[matylad]

Can give a rough price on clutch/flywheel replacement as had it done a few weeks ago

Clutch & Slave cylinder (release bearing) - £204 inc VAT
DMF - £411 inc VAT
Seal for output shaft - £5 inc VAT
Gearbox oil - £9.50 inc VAT
Master cylinder - £55 inc VAT
Labour to replace clutch/flywheel - 4.8 hours - £350 inc VAT
Labour to replace master cylinder - 1.2 hours - £88 inc VAT

So clutch/release bearing, flywheel, gearbox oil and labour is going to be roughly £975 (this was local independant garage, not SEAT/VAG but used OEM parts)

 

[matylad]

Mine feels fine Tim doesn't sound it though! Biggest noise is going down into 3rd and letting the revs rise. Then there's a faint-ish rumbley/whirring/whining noise on over run.

 

[&rew]

are there any other symptoms of the gearbox failing. I know 2 of you mention this whining noise in third which i sometimes get, it seems louder than any other gear on over run as you say but tbh everything feels fine kinda worried now

Nope, just the whining really. There is a possibility that there were other symptoms, like a general feeling of the gearbox not being quite right. But because it's something that got worse over time, it's just one of those things you get used to. I'd get it road tested by someone as soon as mate.

 

[Rocky Rocastle]

i don't know whether im concerned unnecessarily tbh, I will get it checked when i think on. Thing is i think the nearest specialist to us is stoke so i rather try and get an independent view first rather than that of somebody who is likely to say it's cooked anyway so I'll have a word.

Mine only does it when i drop into 3rd iirc, so when the revs are quite high for the gear, haven't noticed it when i'm in 3rd normally and just ease of the gas

 

[matylad]

i don't know whether im concerned unnecessarily tbh, I will get it checked when i think on. Thing is i think the nearest specialist to us is stoke so i rather try and get an independent view first rather than that of somebody who is likely to say it's cooked anyway so I'll have a word.

Mine only does it when i drop into 3rd iirc, so when the revs are quite high for the gear, haven't noticed it when i'm in 3rd normally and just ease of the gas

Or Votex in Congleton mate. I've used them for both my Cupra and now my Cupra R. Mike and Keith are spot on and wont take the pi$$. Your more then welcome to have a listen to mine as a comparison.

 

[&rew]

i don't know whether im concerned unnecessarily tbh, I will get it checked when i think on. Thing is i think the nearest specialist to us is stoke so i rather try and get an independent view first rather than that of somebody who is likely to say it's cooked anyway so I'll have a word.

Mine only does it when i drop into 3rd iirc, so when the revs are quite high for the gear, haven't noticed it when i'm in 3rd normally and just ease of the gas

Mine didn't do it on over run to begin with, started to over time as the noise when dropping into third got worse. TBH any kind of whirring/whining noise coming from the gearbox is not a good thing and needs sorting!

 

[Rocky Rocastle]

Mine didn't do it on over run to begin with, started to over time as the noise when dropping into third got worse. TBH any kind of whirring/whining noise coming from the gearbox is not a good thing and needs sorting!

looks like my commission money is going to be spent elsewhere then rather than the goodies i was looking forward to.

Matt, thanks for the offer, may well take you up on it but like Andy says, I suppose any noise isn't as good always something!!!!!!!!!!