Rear wheel pushing forward when lowered

[x24sevenbikerx]

To reduce roll as much as possible on an LCR you need:

Coilovers wound down. hmm
Front and Rear ARBs on stiff setting. check
Front upper strut brace, rear brace also. hmm
Fully polybush the car underneath. check

That will be night and day over standard.

2 outta 4 :S !

the purpose of struts i always thought was to keep the bonue of suspension to a min , ie when going over bumps (mainly for the use of rally cars etc) to keep speed going

 

[t0m]

2 outta 4 :S !

the purpose of struts i always thought was to keep the bonue of suspension to a min , ie when going over bumps (mainly for the use of rally cars etc) to keep speed going

http://www.tuninglinx.com/html/strut-bars.html

Get those coilovers mate.

 

[Muttley]

Strut braces are to improve the stiffness of the shell and make the handling more predictable.

Lowering the suspension of a Mk.4 Golf platform drops the roll center by much more than the center of gravity, increasing the roll moment arm and the force lifting the inside wheel when cornering. Stiffening up the ARB only stops body roll, with lowered suspension you will lift the inside wheel sooner than with suspension at standard height.

Improved handling is not just about making the car stiffer and reducing roll. It's about being able to go round corners faster, and reducing the adhesion weight on the inside wheels won't help.

 

[x24sevenbikerx]

http://www.tuninglinx.com/html/strut-bars.html

Get those coilovers mate.

i see no coilovers

 

[t0m]

i see no coilovers

It wasn't meant to be related lol, just an added comment for you to go get some

 

[x24sevenbikerx]

It wasn't meant to be related lol, just an added comment for you to go get some

haha ... might do , not caring about comfort anymore tbh , with fitting engine/dogbone mount cars vibrates anyway so may as well get some nice handling + lowness , prob just get the weitec GT kit

 

[Dan1720v]

Strut braces are to improve the stiffness of the shell and make the handling more predictable.

Lowering the suspension of a Mk.4 Golf platform drops the roll center by much more than the center of gravity, increasing the roll moment arm and the force lifting the inside wheel when cornering. Stiffening up the ARB only stops body roll, with lowered suspension you will lift the inside wheel sooner than with suspension at standard height.

Improved handling is not just about making the car stiffer and reducing roll. It's about being able to go round corners faster, and reducing the adhesion weight on the inside wheels won't help.

To an extent, however, by limiting suspension droop on the rear can be a way of reducing understeer in the corners. Have a look at the 172/182's for an example. Lifting the rear wheel was actually a design.

 

[x24sevenbikerx]

still not sure what to do tbh ..... think ill just drop it on its arse and drive in straight lines

 

[drka-drka]

Can make it three out of four mate if you want what I have haha

 

[x24sevenbikerx]

Can make it three out of four mate if you want what I have haha

i do indeed haha !!

 

[x24sevenbikerx]

anyone know the site to order them rear brackets?

and anyone got any info on them? ie would i lose handling ? possible problems or anything? anyone know?

ordering some coilovers soon (weitec GT kit)

 

[csd_19]

20-25mm , stock LEON or stock LCR ride height?

Sorry mate only just seen your reply/question -That was from stock LCR ride height.

 

[x24sevenbikerx]

Sorry mate only just seen your reply/question -That was from stock LCR ride height.

cool cheers , so lowering 40-50 would be the best (thats from standard leon, ie what companys selling sus say from ) haha

 

[x24sevenbikerx]

am i right in thinking these are the plates that would fit ??

http://www.ecstuning.com/News/MKIV_WheelCenteringPlates/ES2515458/

says in the info , to be fitted to a car lower than 1.75" on the rear , so i guess a 45-50mm drop and fitting these should make everything look fine

 

[LEE69]

Yeah they look right

 

[csd_19]

Need a rear end alignment after fitting those then - original rear beam brackets are slotted to allow some movement. Hence why when you do rear beam bushes you remove the beam and leave the brackets in place.

Also wonder what it does to the rear end behaviour, if it lowers the original pivot point of the beam then the rear bushes will be under more torsion as the beam arcs. Probably too small a height difference to make a difference to the sceners I guess (show > handling)

 

[x24sevenbikerx]

i want both show and handling ... ive decided cant afford this month so give it another month to dwell in my head to what im gunna do

 

[csd_19]

cool cheers , so lowering 40-50 would be the best (thats from standard leon, ie what companys selling sus say from ) haha

If you're going for coilies best way to do it is take a measurement from the top of the arch to the ground on each wheel, then adjust the coilies (once fitted) to go -25 -30mm from the measurements.

 

[Rgm racer]

Wull covered a lot of suspension details/mods on some of his threads, iirc the drop was 20-25mm from stock to keep the handling good.

Too low and you begin to encounter issues with bump steer and the car's centre of gravity will rise, messing up the handling.

Then again if your driving style is low and slow, you're not bothered about how it handles

If you lower suspension/car surely this lowers centre of gravity?

 

[Muttley]

Lowering the suspension of the Golf Mk.4 platform lowers the roll center by twice as much as it lowers the CofG - so the roll moment is increased. As I indicated in April, above.