Fuel consumption

[ES_Formentor]

The hybrid argument works best if you dont do constant speed motorway journeys as a norm. We have had our 204V2 since the beginning of October and charge it whenever we have charge capability available at least every night but sometime during a trip when charging available in shopping centres, cinemas etc. The daily trips are typically under 30 miles round trip each day but can be up to 60 miles on odd days. We always try to exhaust the battery when returning home. So plan hybrid on departure if the distance works and we have a lot of open road driving and then use the shaded map on the SatNav to guide us in order to exhaust the battery if our calculations are slightly off. Have just checked the car and it has completed about 3000 miles and overall mpg is 117.7
Suppose i am saying that the economy works if you dont do many open road miles today the car has done a 50 mile round trip and it is approximately 70mpg. A regular trip we do about 35 miles stretches this out dramatically.
A thought on regen we keep it set in ‘auto’ as i like the car to roll when lifting off the accelerator. The demo we tried was set in ’high’ and i tried this on a few journeys but felt that in moving traffic on open roads would dramatically slow the car but also made rhe ride slightly uncomfortable and unnatural for me. If in town would be able to better mpg if using high regen but it is a bit of a faff to change.

 

[seadoo180]

I'm biased as I've just bought the hybrid but basically for me as the average motorist most of the time its short local journeys for me, odd medium (30-50 miles roundtrip) then a couple of longer trips a year to the coast or whatever.

In terms of mpg its not much worse if at all than any of the other engines in the range on the motorway even when you've run the battery down? but you still have the flexibility to run on battery/charge it for most of the journies.

I can see how it makes no sense for someone doing 15-20k a year on the motorways but for the average person with the mixed driving profile it could work and happy to pay a premium for the ability to run on electric for local driving.

Can't be doing with the ropey charging in infrastucture for a full electric just now and the phev seems to be not the best at either end of the spectrum but a compromise accross all aspects.

I could be proved entirely wrong once I run the thing, but I've taken the plunge!

 

[caloomba]

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

This is a company car on a three year lease, so the vast majority of miles I will be doing are 'open road' for work. Unfortunately, I only get 14p/mile back, so on work miles on the open road it looks like I will be out of pocket a little based on the mpg I got recently and how much fuel costs now! On the other side of that, it looks like my 'in town' and shorter journeys I do for personal miles will be very cost effective. Did a good bit of running about in town late on yesterday and it was entirely on e-motor.

My previous company vehicle was a 2l diesel (no e-motor), so I hope to be saving a reasonable amount on the company car tax anyway. And for the in-town and shorter journeys, that was very very heavy on fuel.

 

[Peyton]

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

This is a company car on a three year lease, so the vast majority of miles I will be doing are 'open road' for work. Unfortunately, I only get 14p/mile back, so on work miles on the open road it looks like I will be out of pocket a little based on the mpg I got recently and how much fuel costs now! On the other side of that, it looks like my 'in town' and shorter journeys I do for personal miles will be very cost effective. Did a good bit of running about in town late on yesterday and it was entirely on e-motor.

My previous company vehicle was a 2l diesel (no e-motor), so I hope to be saving a reasonable amount on the company car tax anyway. And for the in-town and shorter journeys, that was very very heavy on fuel.

Hope it works out for you.

That is the downside with a hybrid, you are carrying a battery and electric motors that you don't use if you go a steady speed for a long time. Fully electric cars are better in that regard. I wish there were fully electric cars with a small range extender motor that runs on diesel, so if you know you are going on a long trip you can extend your range by using the range extender to generate electricity.

 

[seadoo180]

Btw I think you can claim some sort tax relief difference between the 14ppm and 45ppm its a bit of a faff but I doable.

 

[ninja_geezer]

i get 21-24 mpg around town driving very steady lol.......crazy really must be the weight of the thing my 426 bhp bmw was far better and it had more cylinders ,shocking tbh....ive grown to dislike it as well. underperforms needs a remap .stupid infotainment system is garbage .....i want my beemer back ...

 

[caloomba]

Btw I think you can claim some sort tax relief difference between the 14ppm and 45ppm its a bit of a faff but I doable.

I think that is for personal vehicles only. My Formentor is a company car.

 

[MrBiggles87]

50% Cupra Sport mode and 50% Comfort.... Very happy!

 

[scottydog76]

Apart from the short school run journeys, I’ve been really happy with the MPG of my 310.

Default is Sport mode.

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[Cuprakash]

Since I bought it,VZ1 245, hybrid including long drives to the lakes,Yorkshire and towing the small Basecamp caravan to the west coast and back.

 

[frmntr]

What is the most economical way to drive the VZX / VZ3(?) around town with regard to the gearbox? Is driving in manual more economical than auto?
After coming off a manual Focus ST (stage 3), it seems much more difficult to use the VZX engine in an economical manner (possibly due to the automatic gearbox).

 

[Wyld Stallyn]

Don't use CUPRA mode or engage Sport mode in the gearbox or you'll get 15.5mpg like me

But, I did get loads of Smiles per Gallon and that's what we bought the 310 VZ3 for - No point in having Brembos if you aren't gonna use em

 

[LetsForment]

View attachment 29624 Since I bought it,VZ1 245, hybrid including long drives to the lakes,Yorkshire and towing the small Basecamp caravan to the west coast and back.

This is it. It's very hard to workout what mpg you are getting, unless you know exactly how much petrol and electric was used. If it were 100% electric, you would be at around 60mpg prorated to cost(?)

The 85.6mpg reported is only the portion of Petrol, So if it were a 100% petrol run you would be at 35 (ouch!) mpg or so ?

 

[sjh.28]

View attachment 29624 Since I bought it,VZ1 245, hybrid including long drives to the lakes,Yorkshire and towing the small Basecamp caravan to the west coast and back.

Where are these graphs/data from? Which app?


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[dashnine]

Where are these graphs/data from? Which app?


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CupraConnect app.

 

[sjh.28]

CupraConnect app.

Thanks for the prompt reply. We don’t have that in Australia. Does this require a dongle to be plugged into the OBDII port? Wondering if I can plug the one from my Audi in.


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[LetsForment]

Every time you turn your car off, it sends off details to Cupra's mother ship. The app is just reporting what they have.

 

[dashnine]

Thanks for the prompt reply. We don’t have that in Australia. Does this require a dongle to be plugged into the OBDII port? Wondering if I can plug the one from my Audi in.


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Sorry, I missed you were 'down there'! As above the car sends trip details back to Cupra / Seat / VW via the built in SIM (also used for emergency calls, breakdown assist, over the air updates, traffic reports for the SatNav, etc.) and you access the journey details via the Cupra app. I assume other VAG brands have their own versions of the app, presumably just rebranded versions of the same one. Had a similar app with the Land Rover InControl app except that recorded the route for each journey too.

 

[CupForm]

Had the car for 3 weeks now, done most of the driving in EV mode (a bit more than 500 km): daily home-work urban commute + a few short weekend trips outside town (within EV range). I had a longer trip into the mountains this weekend - first use of hybrid-mode on express and also mountain roads (using Sport mode, obviously... ).
See the overall result bellow: (2.1 l/100 km is about 135 mpg)

 

[dashnine]

It's a shame that the overall consumption uses EV miles in the mpg (or l/100km) calculation as the amount of EV miles you do completely skews the calculation.

More telling is the 'actual' consumption when the engine is running, and even that varies between when the battery is part full (about 70mpg in my case) or empty (about 50mpg). Even those figures are dependant on how much regen can happen (e.g. on a long motorway trip at 75mph - not much).