180 cupra too stage 2 help?

[traumapat]

so your 242bhp figure came from getting a custom map with the main modification being a less restrictive downpipe and de/cat or less restrictive 1. the rest of your upgrades probably making a total difference of 10bhp for example as i dont see many 1.8t leon 180 versions getting over 235bhp on a stage 2 so it must be down to your custom map. so your now running at 320bhp may i ask what upgrades your running to get that figure? did you upgrade the rods? i only ask so many questions about you ride as it gives me lots of hope for the potential of these lovely engines.

I went with a sports cat rather than decat.. just helps come mot time.
The 320 comes from an IHI turbo conversion which includes 440 injectors, oil and coolant pipes, manifold, S3 fuel pump and various nuts and bolts. Proalloy FMIC (its huge) 3" downpipe.
Rods are standard due to using a bigger turbo that made 320 without dangerously high cylinder temps, hybrid turbos have to be pushed harder to make the figures thus higher temps.... but its still worth doing rods which ever way you go.
Most important part is the map so its usable power. Hence why its worth getting solid advice from whom evers mapping it.

I'll try and find my 242 print out later

 

[aaron-gardner]

I went with a sports cat rather than decat.. just helps come mot time.
The 320 comes from an IHI turbo conversion which includes 440 injectors, oil and coolant pipes, manifold, S3 fuel pump and various nuts and bolts. Proalloy FMIC (its huge) 3" downpipe.
Rods are standard due to using a bigger turbo that made 320 without dangerously high cylinder temps, hybrid turbos have to be pushed harder to make the figures thus higher temps.... but its still worth doing rods which ever way you go.
Most important part is the map so its usable power. Hence why its worth getting solid advice from whom evers mapping it.

I'll try and find my 242 print out later

thanks for all this. what 440 injectors did you get? and do you think the toyosports intercooler will be sufficient enough? i have a hybrid turbo on order but i may cancel it and go big turbo instead.
how long you been running 320bhp? do you find its still reliable? my only worry is just the rods and i was thinking id need to do more than just rods to get to 300bhp+
you have been a great help so far thanks.

 

[traumapat]

bosch injectors from memory, i doubt the toyo cooler would be enough. Id ring jabba for advice on BT and badger 5 for hybrids. BT is more expensive due to manifold changes and extra oil/ coolant lines and its going to be laggy compared to the k03s. Power is amazing though. 2006 and still going strong.

I think im right in saying hybrids utilise the existing manifold so they are a cheaper option and less laggy but lower overall power compared to BT.

Id do rods whatever, Ive been fine but theres no knowing what abuse the cars had thrown at it in the past and has Bill mentioned in another thread fatigue could be an issue.
There was almost a gentlemans agreement around the tuners that 320 was the limit for safety on BTs without doing the rods but hybrids make the power more aggressively and will bend rods at lower levels.

Bottom line... do the rods if only for piece of mind and talk to the tuners, try to blag a ride in a hybrid and a BT car to help decide.

I think jabba are the only tuner to do this, they can fit a dial that will adjust the torque levels in the map in real time so you can effectively turn the power down. Dead handy in bad weather or when you cant be bothered with the white knuckle ride.

 

[aaron-gardner]

bosch injectors from memory, i doubt the toyo cooler would be enough. Id ring jabba for advice on BT and badger 5 for hybrids. BT is more expensive due to manifold changes and extra oil/ coolant lines and its going to be laggy compared to the k03s. Power is amazing though. 2006 and still going strong.

I think im right in saying hybrids utilise the existing manifold so they are a cheaper option and less laggy but lower overall power compared to BT.

Id do rods whatever, Ive been fine but theres no knowing what abuse the cars had thrown at it in the past and has Bill mentioned in another thread fatigue could be an issue.
There was almost a gentlemans agreement around the tuners that 320 was the limit for safety on BTs without doing the rods but hybrids make the power more aggressively and will bend rods at lower levels.

Bottom line... do the rods if only for piece of mind and talk to the tuners, try to blag a ride in a hybrid and a BT car to help decide.

I think jabba are the only tuner to do this, they can fit a dial that will adjust the torque levels in the map in real time so you can effectively turn the power down. Dead handy in bad weather or when you cant be bothered with the white knuckle ride.

l like the idea of a dial to adjust torque would be handy when the missus is in the car she complains about the surge of power from the standard power lol. i will probably go big turbo in the future for the big power but for now ill do stage 2 and gather parts for a big turbo upgrade. so with a stage 2 i should be able to get 240bhp and im happy with that. for now.

 

[traumapat]

Stage 2 is a good state of tune for the LC and very easy to enjoy. Huge difference from stock. Mrs TP was fine driving it but hasnt driven it since BT, good result alround then...

 

[LEE69]

Loving my stage 2 now so much more go

 

[n1ff]

Not even considered injectors/ rods. Got plans for FMIC as I should really already have it on but hey, In the winter time I havent really noticed the car getting too hot.

I'll defo not uprate rods or fuel pump/injectors or things like manifolds unless/untill I go Hybrid or BT

 

[fillmecca]

Could some one tell me if this is the correct TIP ebay item from toyosports Item number: 400111448038
Also found myself a 4bar fuel pressure regulator from awsome gti http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=27525 would this be ok?

Cheers Phil

 

[LEE69]

Could some one tell me if this is the correct TIP ebay item from toyosports Item number: 400111448038
Also found myself a 4bar fuel pressure regulator from awsome gti http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=27525 would this be ok?

Cheers Phil

TIP is fine for a Leon 180 4 bar is overpriced imho can be found much cheaper try ED38 i got mine for £10 on there.

 

[fillmecca]

Cheers shall give it a go. Shall be ordering the TIP sometime next week depending on my bank balance.. is the TIP hard to fit?

 

[LEE69]

Best guide ever have a read http://www.ottawa-vdubbing.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=8651

 

[fillmecca]

Cheers or the guide

 

[fillmecca]

Ordered my TIP last night from toto sports £59.99 delivered

 

[aaron-gardner]

WELL I HAVE GONE AND DONE IT NOW AINT I. i just bought a big turbo and a new port and polished manifold but i need to buy an external wastegate as the turbo is not recommended to use internal so they dont fit it. i am making my own custom downpipe elbow to connect to the 3" downpipe from toyosport with a 3" v band to connect to the turbo. ill most likely fit a screamerpipe on the wastegate as i cant be bothered to re route it to the exhaust but ill see how it goes. just in the proces of ordering some rods and injectors from intergrated engineering. so im hoping by end of march it will be all fitted.
only problem is i started buying stuff for stage 2 only and only got the standard 70mm tip i believe and would i really really need to upgrade to the 80mm housing and tip even tho i already need to customise it because the turbo intake size is 100mm. the big turbo route is a lot more than i first expected. every new part needed needs another part to be modified or replaced lol.

so with a big turbo will i need...
4 bar fpr? i have 1 but revo say standard 3bar for stage 3
80mm maf housing and tip or will my 70mm do the job
225 cupra/tt fuel pump or will standard 1 be ok.
the turbo is oil cool only so will a oil cooler be needed?
will 550cc injectors be sufficient or will smaller/larger be better.
i will uprate the clutch so any recommendations please and im sure the standard gearbox will be ok.

im looking to get around 350bhp.

 

[n1ff]

Nice mate! Standard fuel pump is good for bout 300 bhp I think, I'm on 4 bar for revo stage 2 so I reckon u'll defo need it over the 3. Other than that not really sure, I just got an uprated clutch from awesome and it is just that!! it's SMF but really smooth, can't remember what it can take but it's defo 400 something...torque would make sense.

 

[aaron-gardner]

ill most probably get a uprated fuel pump then. any idea what the lcr fuel pump can produce?
the clutch from awesome sounds good. i dont really intend going above 400bhp or torq ft/ib but if the mods i fit can achieve higher without any starain on any componenets then i may be able to produce close to 500bhp with the turbo.
i just dont want to get a new tip and 80mm maf housing which will cost me around £200.
thanks for the reply anyway.

 

[aaron-gardner]

does anyone know if the 80mm maf housing and tip is essential or not for a big turbo build? i already have a 70mm tip but will the 80mm make much of a difference?

 

[n1ff]

erm... I'd say yes mate, everyone runs one on their LCRs and their normally running 270 to 300. I don't see how you could realistically get even close to 400 bhp without changing most of your components,