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Up to a point i will agree.
However - I and many others can't or don't want to own 2 cars so the Quick diesel is the best way for us.
A 185hp TDi ibiza is nice to play with at the weekend - but still capable of 50+ mpg on the daily drive during the week.
Yes and no. The 1.4 TSI provide excellent performance and economy (MPG, insurance tax).
The economy side of things was far more geared for low C02 emissions rather than MPG.
MPG is a plus point but not the main goal for the engine, remember the Cupra has to compete with the likes of the Corsa VXR, Clio 200 which have far more MPG figure yet are still popular, so it is very clear that MPG alone does not sell performance hatches.
The 1.4TSI was always going to be a performance engine hence it being offered in the top of the line Cupra.
True however, unless I was driving over 10K miles per year I would not consider a diesel. The extra cost per litre would have to yield significant MPG increase for it to be worth the outlay and over shorter difference, the advantages of a diesel just do not reflect this.
I would start harping on about DPF filter and injectors etc but then I remembered I own a 1.4TSI so I don't really have a leg to stand on in the reliability stakes!
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I'm in the 15K+ milage bracket and the other deciding choice was that the 2.0CR TDi seems to be one of the reliable engines in the VAG range.
The DPF can be a PITA but it's workable - and there is always the DPF delete + remap for 200+ bhp and still 50+mpg
This is true, I haven't got any evidence to back it up but I am sure C02>MPG for car manufacturers.
See you have made the right decision when choosing your car. It's people that own a diesel "because it's cheaper" when they do sub 10K that I truly don't understand.
Perhaps they like the torque or something, but yeah it doesn't make sense. I'f I did less miles I'd go back to petrol, far smoother, especially in rush hour traffic.
The 1.6 TDI can be a bit jerky, first gear is a bit "all or nothing"
See diesel owners always use the torque argument. However the torque power band is so short they end up with a lot less usable torque than in a petrol.
In fairness the Cupra and Fr 1.4TSI are very torquey engines, especially for their size and HP outputs. Their rev ranges annd DSG box allows them to make it far more usable.
I will agree that in an ideal world I would prefer a petrol engine over a diesel, but I do over 16K miles a year so (as you said) a TDI makes sense for me. Using that argument, surely a performance car for high mileage folks that happens to be called a Cupra wouldn't be so bad a thing placed alongside the petrol alternative? Something like 175BHP+ in a small hatchback with the appropriate chassis and suspension would surely qualify as a driver's car? And around 50MPG for high mileage users would be a big pull. Seat obviously used to think so as the MK4 Ibiza had a diesel Cupra. Yes the TDI Cupra didn't sell as well as expected but times have changed with fuel prices etc - people are far more aware of fuel economy than they used to be.
In a few months my FR TDI will be getting remapped to around Cupra power for the reasons I have detailed above. If there had been a MK5 Cupra TDI at the time I was looking for a car I would have bought one without question. Yes my tuned FR won’t deliver the power in the same way as a petrol engine but it’ll still be big fun!
And if speculation that the face-lifted Ibiza will have a Cupra TDI introduced is true I do think that it will attract a lot of consideration from potential buyers. I’d think about it, but I’m still having big difficulty liking the pictures of the “new” Ibiza.
For me a clutch and gear stick is needed for a car to be 'a drivers car'. Having the point and shoot dsg takes that away. F1 would certainly be more interesting if they had them.
Oh, and the manual setting on the dsg doesn't count
Only my opinion and I'm sure others will say different
+1 What he said. Those headlights look worse than the current 2 beam version.
Not impressed with the dilution of the FR brand either. Some one in their marketing dept. needs to check out the history books and see how VW damaged the Golf GTi when they put the badge on a range of low powered cars on the mk4.
The changes that can't be seen in photo's but are required from my view are:
1. Fit rear speakers in all models
2. Coolant temperature readout in digital display.
3. Bonnet release on drivers side.
4. 2 reverse lights on SC.
5. Ability for driver to turn off the cornering/reverse fog lights within computer set-up menu.
6. Ability for driver to turn off hill hold control.
7. Seat material trim on door card inserts.
8. Re-position heated rear screen button so not obstructed by gear lever.
9. Washer fluid level warning as part of winter pack (as on VW models).
10. Illuminated radio controls on steering wheel face, not stalk on column.
11. Storage cubby on r/h side of dash as per Mk4.
12. Make centre console area under handbrake lever a flat tray shape as per mk4. (so it can be used for storage space)
Yes my tuned FR won’t deliver the power in the same way as a petrol engine but it’ll still be big fun!
Remapped, the FR gives decent torque through the rev range, just runs out of revs
Anyone else noticed the screen between the dials seems to have gone back to the older style from the original MK5? :
Current models have slightly different text and the gear change recommendation, clock is more to the left:
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Current models have slightly different text and the gear change recommendation, clock is more to the left:
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The post by j500uk really makes a point. The current twin clock surround looks like the progressive, more stylish upgrade from the previous rather naff and bland open surround.
A real shame that the down grade is with the facelift: SEAT...FAIL
A real shame that the down grade is with the facelift: SEAT...FAIL
Wonder if that speedo can be transferred. Presuming not tho as it wouldn't have the correct mileage for the car.
However I reckon that the surround should transfer over unless they changed the clip positions
However I reckon that the surround should transfer over unless they changed the clip positions
I was referring more to the actual screen in the middle, the facelift picture shows the old pre-2011 version! Agree though the current dials/ surround look nicer
Seat could get away with labeling TDi as Cupra on the MK4 because there was only 20ish BHP between that and the petrol versions on both Leon and Ibiza.
The Mk5 Leon Cupra is more powerful than the Mk4 Cupra R and I don't think anyone would've taken the 170PS TDi seriously as a Cupra when there would be a 70 BHP difference and a quicker, more powerful petrol FR.
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I’d think about it, but I’m still having big difficulty liking the pictures of the “new” Ibiza.
IMO interior is improved, but I agree that front looks worse then the old one. There is small hope in those leaked pics of FR. Front looks much better on FR.
I respectfully disagree. We are discussing the Ibiza model range, not the Leon. I think people would look at the engine power outputs and performance within a particular model range to justify qualification for a FR or Cupra badge. I do however accept that Seat would have trouble sticking a Cupra badge on a Leon TDI using their current diesel engine.
The 2.0TDI engine currently in the FR can easily be supplied in 170PS trim as standard. As you have said the Leon FR comes with this engine spec. Stick 170PS in a supermini and you can't tell me that the car won't be quick.
This output compares very favourably with the 180PS that a 1.4TSI Cupra/Boc puts out - granted the power is made in a different way between the engines. As far as I know (and I am willing to stand corrected on this) the 1.4TSI engine is not supplied as standard anywhere in the VW Group with more than 180PS output at present. The Leon Cupra and Cupra R uses a 2.0TSI engine and these are not available in the Ibiza (at least at present) so it's not really fair to use the Leon Range as a comparison to the Ibiza models. That's my opinion, but I fully appreciate it won't be everybody's!
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