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Dolly_Gti

G60 spooling up.
Aug 15, 2006
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why is my ABF doing 23mpg £35 = sub 200 mile. it also kangaroos from stone cold but only if its frosty near freezing and only does it for 5 minutes then its fine

anwsers on a post card. :)

im guessing coolant Temp sensor for cold running problem but do you reckon this is causing it to run rich and drink the juice?
 
mine had similar symptoms to that, low mpg and kangarooing from ice cold, mines a diesel though turned out to be the egr valve was blocked open all the time.
 
dont thinkn its my turbo.... but thanks for the input

just to throw it into the the mix it has a green cotton panel filter in VGC, i know the throttle body is very clean, car has only done 38k
 
dont thinkn its my turbo.... but thanks for the input

just to throw it into the the mix it has a green cotton panel filter in VGC, i know the throttle body is very clean, car has only done 38k

egr doesent require a turbo or diesel, im not sure if the ABF has one though
 
is it not exhaust gas resurc? dont think ive got anything like that. ED38 people seem to think blue temp sensor causing over fueling and cold running problem, im inclined to go with that as its also what i would be guessing at.
 
Mine also seems to eat the juice. after start up the MFA struggles to say 20 mpg and driving like a granny struggles to reach 30 mpg after 15 miles.
Used half a tank yesterday to do 130 miles (granny driving again) I though temp sensor too but plugs don't seem black from over fueling though!!!
 
Mine also seems to eat the juice. after start up the MFA struggles to say 20 mpg and driving like a granny struggles to reach 30 mpg after 15 miles.
Used half a tank yesterday to do 130 miles (granny driving again) I though temp sensor too but plugs don't seem black from over fueling though!!!

sounds about right, short journey's early am warm up few miles traffic/town etc can see a full tank gone in 200 mile with some depressing mfa numbers :cry: did see 38's for ages when i did a nice steady long run to blackpool and back mind but more common is 7 or 9 on a monday am :headhurt:

on a run it's isn't too bad mind but press and hold the MFA #1 over to reset and get a more recent figure as MFA #2 is the average overall anyway - i usually reset mine once the temperature is up and running



Dolly - yours sounds like temp sensor not kicking the fuel/choke in hence it's fine when warm

usually syptoms vice versa

crap cold/good warm - not operating choke fuel input

fine cold then bad when warm - choke stuck on overfueling
 
For the first 5 / 10 mins (the first mile) of my journey I get between 4 and 10mpg average depending on traffic, then I have a bit of motorway and duel carriage way driving at about 50 / 60 and it soon jumps up to about 28mpg!
 
Completely different car, but i had really bad fuel economy on a mini (2-3x), thought it was fuel leaking.

It turned out to be the air filter, now although newer cars have fuel injection, a restriction of air into the engine will still cause over fuelling, so it might be worth checking the air filter, as its cheap to replace.

Also, before replacing expensive parts, I would make sure the important bits are working properly. In particular I would clean all spark plugs, leads, distributor cap, and then clean out the throttle body using spray, and then use a decent fuel cleaner in your tank, an easy and brilliant one is red line s-1 or s-2 which will clean everything including injectors.

By the way the o2 sensor works in an odd way, it registers oxygen, not fuel, so if you get unburnt fuel going past it it will read high oxygen regardless, and assume the engine is UNDERFUELLING, hence adding more fuel and increasing the issue.

The kangarooing is a difficult one, i had a friends car doing this, and the throttle body was filthy inside, and with an o2 sensor reading, his engine bay was oily, and the battery had a loose wire, which wasnt a concern to him!

But as i say start with the basics first, as ive said, and then things like vacuum hoses and look really closely, one of mine went last week, and this is one ive checked lots before, and didnt notice as the break was under the metal securing clip.
 
Incidentally a good way to check the filter apart from visually, is to run the engine with the filter off, and listen to the engine note, if its lighter then filter probably needs replacing.
 
has it got an aftermarket exhaust?

the minute i put my janspeed on

fuel economy no more
 
silverline

if they changed the exhaust they would have to replace the o2 sensor, if that wasnt done or it was damaged/fitted incorrectly then bad mpg and running would happen.
 
mine does have a janspeed catback and a vgc green cotton panel filter. im going to chance the coolant sensor and see what happens, as i had the same kangaroo from cold problem last year, with standard exhaust/intake.

MPG might not be accurate as i do let it warm up in the morning whilst i have my cuppa tea lol, nice warm car for the drive into work lol.
 
Dolly

I had a friends car, actually a vw corrado 16v similar kangarooing issues, i did searches on the internet as well as a few little jobs on the car. His had an 02 sensor error code, and the throttle body was filthy inside, also a loose connection on the battery lead, and a lot of oil around the engine.

I dont know what work you have done or your engine etc, however id make sure the throttle body is clean, run some fuel cleaner (super one is red line s-1 or s-2) check battery connections, earth leads, also have a proper check of all vacuum hoses, i think particulary there is one that goes to the inlet manifold? Im also thinking it could be worth checking the injector electrical connectors, as any break in the injector current might cause kangarooing.
 
Just been on a Audi 80 forum, for 16v cars.

One person had kangarooing, and turned out to be HT Leads, Distributor Cap and New Distributor, I think this might be too easy! Certainly wasnt that on my friends car.

However, this one is interesting, and might be worth checking, ill paste the answer;

'Hi guys, I hope I can shed some light on this. I had kangerooing with my 93 2.0E and replaced loads of pipes sensors and all sorts.
It turned out to be the ECU voltage supply relay mounted either under the steering wheel or the passanger glove box. I soldered mine to fix the dry joint or they cost about £10 from VW Audi and the problem was cured instantly.

Hope this is useful - I wish I knew this before as I spent £70 on diagnostics before chancing upon an knowledgable Audi buff!!!

Anyhow, I've now have some lovely new pipes and sensors!!!
Stephen'
 
Also this one for a Vauxhall Corsa

thanx for your input guys.
I've now solved the problem, it was one of these 3things, I think the last one.
I changed the fuel filter as suggested by a friend aswell as here,
I took parts off the injector body and cleaned everythin up with carb cleaner, it was dirtier than I originally thought.
And while checking the plugs again, One of the HT leads broke off leaving the connector still on the spark plug, and it looked quite corroded, so I got new leads(even tho these were less than a year old!), and they were slightl dif to the ones I had on it.
But its running ok now!
Can I change the airfuel mix without hooking it up to a computer? Looking at the spark plugs (black soot all over them), and my fuel comsumption, its running too rich.

Thanx again!
 
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it doesnt do it when its warmish outside, only when its frosty/icey and the car has been stood, i guess it could be condensation related, but ive gone and plumbed for the coolant temp sensor £32 guess.

shocking the same sensor in blue on my 8v was £10 brand new.
 
I got a 2.0 16v abf Cupra and try to drive it like an old lady when i am traveling to work every day. I am putting £40 ave p/w on fuel and not getting close to 200 miles per tank. not sure why my car is so heavy on fuel.

any ideas

btw i have done plugs, rotor arm + cap + leads. this made a massive differance on performance!!
 
Reggie might be good idea to start a new post, however;

I would check the air filter, make sure it is clean, i always mention it on here, but if its dirty or blocked your engine will get more fuel going through.

I would clean out the throttle body, and buy a fuel treatment, a very good one is Red Line S-1 or S-2.

Check all vacuum hoses, anything air goes through for leaks.

After doing the above, re-clean the spark plugs and dizzy cap etc.

Aside from leaks, the o2 sensor is a funny thing, it only senses oxygen, not fuel, so if you have unburnt fuel going through, it reads high on oxygen, and gives the engine more fuel, hence perpetuating the issue. Hence its important to make sure all the air intake bits are in tact and clean, and check all the electrics, plugs etc.

whenever i find a fault i usually reclean the plugs etc.