Adjusting tyre pressure for lighter car?

Willie

LCR Track car
Aug 6, 2004
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I'm hoping to be running my LCR at 150 Kgs below the OEM weight soon at 1,200 Kgs

Is there a caculation to allow me to work out what tyre pressures I should run now.
For the track I've been running 2PSI (hot) higher than recommended 33 PSI on the front and 33 PSI (hot) on the rear.

This seems to be working out fine and will fiddle with these a bit during this year but for road what can I/should I run?
 
Feb 26, 2009
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There's a way of working it out that I learned from kit cars that have no pre-determined kerb weight or wheel size. It's something about getting the cold and hot tyre pressures to be within 2 PSI of each other, but I can't quite remember the process.

However, there might be an easier way. 150 kilos is two (ish) people. Behind the filler cap there should be tyre pressures for a single occupant, and tyre pressures for full car plus luggage. The difference is how much is added when the car is full, so if you subtract half of it, you would be pretty close to ideal.

Or you could just leave it as the single occupant values.

Can I ask why you run higher pressures on the track though? I thought lower pressures were better for the track, given the tyres will heat up far more than on the road?
 

Willie

LCR Track car
Aug 6, 2004
8,939
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Sunny Scotland
There's a way of working it out that I learned from kit cars that have no pre-determined kerb weight or wheel size. It's something about getting the cold and hot tyre pressures to be within 2 PSI of each other, but I can't quite remember the process.

However, there might be an easier way. 150 kilos is two (ish) people. Behind the filler cap there should be tyre pressures for a single occupant, and tyre pressures for full car plus luggage. The difference is how much is added when the car is full, so if you subtract half of it, you would be pretty close to ideal.

Or you could just leave it as the single occupant values.

Can I ask why you run higher pressures on the track though? I thought lower pressures were better for the track, given the tyres will heat up far more than on the road?
I run higher hot pressures on the track than on the road.
If the tyres were left to cool they would drop from 35 PSI to 26 PSI and 33 PSI to 24 PSI
 

DPJ

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Dec 13, 2004
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Found this Willie...
Toyo 888 Tyre Pressures

Extracted from the following thread:

http://forums.seloc.org/viewthread.php?tid=222602

My name is Alan Meaker, I am the Motorsport Manager for Toyo Tyres (UK) Ltd.

I was at Rockingham on the Saturday 1ST March at the LOT trackday and worked with a couple of cars using our R888 tyre regarding pressures and tread temperatures.

What I would like to do is to offer some advice on tyre temperatures and pressures and how to achieve the best from our tyres when taking part in either trackdays or racing.

The R888 has a semi race construction (very stiff) and a race tread compound. The optimum tread temperature range is between 85C and 95C measured using a probe type pyrometer, and ideally a maximum difference across the tread of 9C. The maximum hot pressure we recommend is 40psi. Camber angles up to 5 degrees are permissible but the final setting will depend on tread temperatures. It is advisable to have as much positive castor as practical as castor induces a beneficial camber change during cornering. I recommend that the tyres be put through 2 heat cycles before hard use.


The pressures you use will initially depend on the weight of the car, too little pressure on a heavy car can lead to over deflection of the tyre and subsequent failure.

Below are some basic settings:

VEHICLE WEIGHT COLD PRESSURE HOT PRESSURE Very Light < 800kg 17 - 22 psi 22 - 29 psi Light 800kg - 1000kg 20 - 26 psi 24 - 32 psi Heavy 1000kg - 1400kg 23 - 27 psi 28 - 40 psi Very Heavy > 1400kg 27 - 35 psi 37 - 40 psi


As a tyre gets hotter the pressure increases, this is due to the moisture in the air. The cold pressure you set to achieve a desired hot pressure will depend on the conditions on the day i.e. ambient and track temperature, wet or dry. If the day/track is cold you will need to start with a higher cold pressure as the tyre will not get as hot therefore the pressure increase will not be so great. Hot pressures must be balanced side to side. Once the tyres have cooled you will find that you will have a difference in pressure side to side, if you have been racing on a right hand track you will find the offside pressures will usually be higher than the nearside.


Changing hot inflation pressures by small amounts can be used to fine tune handling.

Reduce Oversteer Reduce rear pressures or increase front pressures Increase Oversteer Increase rear pressures or reduce front pressures Reduce Understeer Reduce front pressures or increase rear pressures Increase Understeer Increase front pressures or reduce rear pressures


Achieving the required tread temperatures will depend again on the conditions on the day i.e. ambient and track temperature, wet or dry.

You often here competitors saying “My tyres started to go of towards the end of the race”, this is usually due to the tread getting to hot.

The tread temperatures are constantly changing through out a race, hotter when cornering and cooler when on the straights and cooling even more when you are slowing to come into the pits. Therefore the temps you record in the pits will be lower than those during the race. So if you record temperatures within the range given above the probability is the temps will be too high during the race.

Increasing your tyre pressures will cause your tread temperatures to increase, more pressure stiffens the tyre’s casing which results in the tread having to do more work resulting in the tread getting hotter. Lowering your pressures will cause them to decrease.


Inevitably changing one thing will affect other things, the whole set up of your car is a compromise between anything that is adjustable.

If your looking at getting the car corner weighted, I'd start out working your tyre pressures from the actual final results for each corner.
 
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