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Anyone running KW Clubsport Coilovers?
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I own KW's and I'd go for Bilstein B14/16 if I'd do it again. Better quality and better value for money.
I know the clubsports come with camber plates so you can dial a bit of that in but the downfall i think is there not inox and so are a bit more weak to the weather.
I doubt theres alot in it between a properly corner weighted car on bilstiens or kw unless your lewis hamilton and looking for 0.002 of a second.
Better quality an interesting one aswell, never heard anyone complaing about either.
EDIT they are ionix so you should be fine.
I doubt theres alot in it between a properly corner weighted car on bilstiens or kw unless your lewis hamilton and looking for 0.002 of a second.
Better quality an interesting one aswell, never heard anyone complaing about either.
EDIT they are ionix so you should be fine.
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Poverty
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If you want adjustability then bilstiens are better but id just get them corner weighted and have done.
So either kw or bilstien would be sweet as you carnt go far wrong with either.
So either kw or bilstien would be sweet as you carnt go far wrong with either.
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Depends on what you're looking for but than again Kw uses old Koni technique and adapt it to be sportier.
Overall you can say that kw offers a bit more comfort (at least KW V1/2) and is a bit cheaper. Bilstein gives less ride comfort with their B14 but feels faster and uses much better materials (I do like the height adjusting system).
Between V3 and B16 pss9 there is not much difference apart that the bilsteins seem to be better built to me.
If you also do trackdays I would go for B14/16 or V3 (before chosing something with electronic adjustability) the rest (kw v1, the Eibach equivalent, B12 etc. ) is more for road use only.
Both offer good reliability but both do have a limited lifetime (and I've seen leaking shocks from both brands) when used for what these are made for (but can be refurbisched).
I know that bilstein had a B16 version for some time that was really unreliable but the recent ones seem to be better build.
And for the critics. I've got a fully adaptable Tein kit on my lexus which is so much better than what the above mentioned brands offer that I would choose it when it would have something for mark II Seat Leons.
Overall you can say that kw offers a bit more comfort (at least KW V1/2) and is a bit cheaper. Bilstein gives less ride comfort with their B14 but feels faster and uses much better materials (I do like the height adjusting system).
Between V3 and B16 pss9 there is not much difference apart that the bilsteins seem to be better built to me.
If you also do trackdays I would go for B14/16 or V3 (before chosing something with electronic adjustability) the rest (kw v1, the Eibach equivalent, B12 etc. ) is more for road use only.
Both offer good reliability but both do have a limited lifetime (and I've seen leaking shocks from both brands) when used for what these are made for (but can be refurbisched).
I know that bilstein had a B16 version for some time that was really unreliable but the recent ones seem to be better build.
And for the critics. I've got a fully adaptable Tein kit on my lexus which is so much better than what the above mentioned brands offer that I would choose it when it would have something for mark II Seat Leons.
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Poverty
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There was a big thread about coilovers on VAGoc which Im searching for as we speak.
KW quality is really good, so is bilstein. If setting records are your perogative its gonna be KW though.
in my opinion the KW Clubsport is one of the best suspensions on the market... up to now all cars with this suspension were more than good... just this month a scirocco R with the KW CS lapped the Sachsenring only a second slower than the 997 GT3 MK2 [1:37.08] ... (with only 330 bhp) [in the autobild sportscars magazine]
KW quality is really good, so is bilstein. If setting records are your perogative its gonna be KW though.
in my opinion the KW Clubsport is one of the best suspensions on the market... up to now all cars with this suspension were more than good... just this month a scirocco R with the KW CS lapped the Sachsenring only a second slower than the 997 GT3 MK2 [1:37.08] ... (with only 330 bhp) [in the autobild sportscars magazine]
If the car is used for a lot of track days then the Clubsports are a very good option to go for.
Damian @ DPM Performance
Damian @ DPM Performance
Not trying to make you defend your reasons but what experience do you have to account for your judgements?
I'm interested to hear in which ways do you judge the Bilsteins to be better built than the KW coilovers.
Also what makes Teins better than the rest and why do KW and Bilsteins not build as good a set up as them?
Coming from a VAG background its always KW that have been the pinnacle of suspension prowess.
I have the KWV3's on my MK1 Leon. These are 5 + years old and look like new. I have just removed these for this seasons racing and contacted KW about servicing these. They were very helpful and said unless these are leaking there is no need to service these.
I track this car and have no where near explored their range of adjustments. My car is a pretty basic set up and is more than a match for most cars in the corners just now.
I was planning on having my car corner balanced/weighted and the suspension set up correctly but this is a very expensive process to do it correctly, involving track time.
I think the KW CS I think would be wasted on my car based on lack of plans to do multiple track days, but it is interesting that a well set up one is that quick. I will probably do a couple of track days this year, but won't be pushing to the limit as the car is a daily driver and wont work too well if it has been on its roof a few times.
As I understand it, the V3 and CS are different kits other than just the top mounts, but I am guessing that uprated top mounts with the V3's woud be doable too should I ever need it.
Being fair though, the old car on Eibach Coilies proved itself against Willies LCR on the twisties. Would be good to see how much better a fully adjustable kit could be when properly set up.
As I understand it, the V3 and CS are different kits other than just the top mounts, but I am guessing that uprated top mounts with the V3's woud be doable too should I ever need it.
Being fair though, the old car on Eibach Coilies proved itself against Willies LCR on the twisties. Would be good to see how much better a fully adjustable kit could be when properly set up.
As I've said to you, with your ability to drive and your current car set up with a good ride height and KWV3 Inox line Coilovers your going to be very impressed with what the car will allow you to pull off.
I wouldn't go for fitting the ARB's initially but as you have them anyway its always an option to fit these later.
Would be interesting to see what settings people have been playing with on the KWV3's fitted to your platforms other marques too.
I wouldn't go for fitting the ARB's initially but as you have them anyway its always an option to fit these later.
Would be interesting to see what settings people have been playing with on the KWV3's fitted to your platforms other marques too.
Jam da Joker
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Ok, I had the same problem and I changed them all (both exhaust and intake)
Here is the information :
Technical Service Bulletin
Re: K04 2.0L TFSI Top End Misfire – Valve Spring Float
Vehicles Affected - 2008+ K04 TFSI engines found in the
Audi S3, Audi TTS, VW Golf Edition30/Pirelli Ed, SEAT Leon
Cupra.
The official diagnosis from the manufacturer is that due to a change in
production of the exhaust valve springs in the 2008+ K04 based TFSI
engines; certain vehicles can suffer from a misfire whilst under load at
the top end of the rev range (over 5500rpm) caused by valve spring
float. Not all 2008+ K04 vehicles will suffer from this problem, and
some will be eligible for warranty work to rectify the problem. Revo
have a revised stage1 .RVO available to limit the misfire over 6000rpm
for those customers whose cars are not eligible for warranty
replacements.
Valve Spring Float: a condition that typically occurs at higher rpm when the
valve lifters don’t remain in contact with the camshaft lobe, caused by the valve
spring being unable to effectively control the valve.
Although this issue can be seen on standard cars it is more likely to occur when
running higher boost levels than 1bar over 6k rpm. A misfire occurs and a fault
registers (normally on Cylinder 3). The problem being caused by weak valve
springs. These are only seen in the 2008+ engines/replacement parts and seem
to have been rectified in the late 2009 onwards vehicles. Currently there is an
Audi TSB out in regards to this issue and main dealers have been known to
replace exhaust valve springs on cars that are affected.
Note: Lowering the boost level or fitting a higher flowing exhaust system reduces
the symptoms.
If this issue occurs on customer cars then there is a possibility of the
exhaust valve springs being replaced under VAG warranty. However Revo
have available revised .RVO files for these vehicles that counter the issue if
required.
This issue is not to be mistaken by misfires caused by weak coils, plugs or faulty injectors.
Here is the information :
Technical Service Bulletin
Re: K04 2.0L TFSI Top End Misfire – Valve Spring Float
Vehicles Affected - 2008+ K04 TFSI engines found in the
Audi S3, Audi TTS, VW Golf Edition30/Pirelli Ed, SEAT Leon
Cupra.
The official diagnosis from the manufacturer is that due to a change in
production of the exhaust valve springs in the 2008+ K04 based TFSI
engines; certain vehicles can suffer from a misfire whilst under load at
the top end of the rev range (over 5500rpm) caused by valve spring
float. Not all 2008+ K04 vehicles will suffer from this problem, and
some will be eligible for warranty work to rectify the problem. Revo
have a revised stage1 .RVO available to limit the misfire over 6000rpm
for those customers whose cars are not eligible for warranty
replacements.
Valve Spring Float: a condition that typically occurs at higher rpm when the
valve lifters don’t remain in contact with the camshaft lobe, caused by the valve
spring being unable to effectively control the valve.
Although this issue can be seen on standard cars it is more likely to occur when
running higher boost levels than 1bar over 6k rpm. A misfire occurs and a fault
registers (normally on Cylinder 3). The problem being caused by weak valve
springs. These are only seen in the 2008+ engines/replacement parts and seem
to have been rectified in the late 2009 onwards vehicles. Currently there is an
Audi TSB out in regards to this issue and main dealers have been known to
replace exhaust valve springs on cars that are affected.
Note: Lowering the boost level or fitting a higher flowing exhaust system reduces
the symptoms.
If this issue occurs on customer cars then there is a possibility of the
exhaust valve springs being replaced under VAG warranty. However Revo
have available revised .RVO files for these vehicles that counter the issue if
required.
This issue is not to be mistaken by misfires caused by weak coils, plugs or faulty injectors.
Let's just say that I've got nothing against KW but just don't like the way they just adapt older Koni stuff and sell it for exobitant prices. KW v1 (especially the non stainless version) just ain't worth the money (V2 is a bit better and V3 is good).
I only say that just for road use next time I would go for Bilstein since I like their B14 coilovers more than the KW V2 (and they age better than V2).
The question was for the clubsport version and that one is as good as it gets when someone wants a system that has to be used for combined track and road use.
In my 500+ bhp IS with supra conversion I went for tein since I wanted a system that offers 5 different setups for road and track use (that can be chosen with a single push on a button). Imho there is no system without dynamic adaptation that is good for both purposes but some might disagree (911 RS is a good example, some owners say it can be used day to day but few do since it's just plain harsch).
Downside with tein is that it's japanese and rebuilding it is no option. The good thing is I know at least eight high performance cars with this system build in and even the electrical part is flawless and stays this way for years.
If I would want something for just track use I would go just around the corner and order me a custom setup from Intraxx. Don't know what the most used brand in the uk is for track suspension but for the price of the clubsport I would have a complete Intraxx system and the setup adjusted by a pro and still have money left for a few rebuilds (in fact I had one in my former Donkervoort which did nice as a track car but was back breaking even when I went to get some fuell with the car a few miles of the track).
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