Bailey or Forge?

[Math]

ive seen both Bailey and Forge re-circ valves for the 1.8t Leon and just wondering if theres much between them?

i see most on here go for the forge, and they both tend to be around £90-£100,

however i have seen the bailey being sold for under £65 in Rally Designs and wondering if its worth the extra money for the Forge?

 

[karlosR]

if you have problems with the bailey D/V coud you just send them a PT? or when you need to service your D/V could you post in bailey's section for a service kit? i've been nothing short of AMAZED with the way i've been treated by forge and couldn't praise them highly enough. do a forge versus bailey search or have a look at the bottom for related threads.

 

[DamoR]

Forge definately the Leon needs a recirculating DV.

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=103218

£75 delivered from Bill until end of December.

 

[acidstrato]

Baileys unit is not serviceable, adjustable nor has a lifetime guarantee i believe? so what do u reckon

 

[ElasticTangent]

Baileys unit is not serviceable, adjustable nor has a lifetime guarantee i believe? so what do u reckon

Sounds like a no brainer to me!!

 

[Math]

Baileys unit is not serviceable, adjustable nor has a lifetime guarantee i believe? so what do u reckon

you have taken facts and not asked the reasons why, why is the bailey not serviceable? does it need it? i had a bailey DV (not Rec-circ) on my last car, i got it 2nd hand, had it for a year on and off the car and always work perfectly.

what is there to adjust with a recirculation valve? surely it either recirculates or it dumps?

the lifetime garantee bit i can admit is a good pull factor.

has anyone used/tried the bailey? or even better both?

 

[bigjode]

you have taken facts and not asked the reasons why, why is the bailey not serviceable? does it need it? i had a bailey DV (not Rec-circ) on my last car, i got it 2nd hand, had it for a year on and off the car and always work perfectly.

what is there to adjust with a recirculation valve? surely it either recirculates or it dumps?

the lifetime garantee bit i can admit is a good pull factor.

has anyone used/tried the bailey? or even better both?

Unless the bailey has a spring that adjusts its own tension, I would suggest that it does need to be adjustable. How else could it cater for the varying levels of boost that you get on these cars when you consider std through stage 3 boost levels (i.e 8psi to over 25psi in some cases).

Forge customer service is top notch, and the servicing element can't be gotten away from; it has a moving piston and therefore it would need lubricationg at some point to maintain its movement. Also, its going to get full of the same black crap that the Forge ones do, you would just never see it with the Bailey.

 

[RobDon]

I've had a Bailey DV30 for a while now, great valve, zero problems, louder than a Forge too. Bailey use a progressive rate spring because the stock valve is rated to 60psi, the stock green spring in a Forge is rated to 15psi. I switched from a Forge to the Bailey and it feels more responsive to me, the Forge 006 felt sluggish by comparison. Servicing a DV is so simple a monkey could do it so I wouldn't use that as any kind of reason for choosing one over the other. Bailey valves ARE serviceable, clean and re-grease in exactly the same way as a Forge.

 

[bigjode]

I've had a Bailey DV30 for a while now, great valve, zero problems, louder than a Forge too. Bailey use a progressive rate spring because the stock valve is rated to 60psi, the stock green spring in a Forge is rated to 15psi. I switched from a Forge to the Bailey and it feels more responsive to me, the Forge 006 felt sluggish by comparison. Servicing a DV is so simple a monkey could do it so I wouldn't use that as any kind of reason for choosing one over the other. Bailey valves ARE serviceable, clean and re-grease in exactly the same way as a Forge.

But how can the same spring resist upto 60psi and at the same time open up under 15psi?

 

[RobDon]

I already said - progressive rate spring, the more pressure the harder it gets as it compresses.

 

[bigjode]

I already said - progressive rate spring, the more pressure the harder it gets as it compresses.

Clever. How much was that DV if you don't mind me asking?

 

[RobDon]

Around £80 from memory I think, had it around a year now.

 

[m0rk]

doesn't really matter how 'much' it opens though to equalise pressure, so I can't see how a progressive spring makes a jot of difference.

open 1mm is the same as open 10mm in terms of equalising pressure.

 

[RobDon]

Course it makes a difference, the more pressure applied to the spring the harder it gets, all springs only ever open roughly the same distance inside the valve, it's how hard the spring resists the pressure within that distance - how else could a stock valve handle 60psi.

Doesn't really matter as nobody around here is ever gonna run over 25psi, Forge make great valves and so do Bailey, my personal preference is Bailey having tried both for long periods.

 

[Math]

thanks Robdon

rally designs are doing the bailey valve for £65'ish at the moment

 

[acidstrato]

you have taken facts and not asked the reasons why, why is the bailey not serviceable? does it need it? i had a bailey DV (not Rec-circ) on my last car, i got it 2nd hand, had it for a year on and off the car and always work perfectly.

what is there to adjust with a recirculation valve? surely it either recirculates or it dumps?

the lifetime garantee bit i can admit is a good pull factor.

as basically already mentioned

yes it does need it, eventually the seals will go and in a perfect world it would last the duration its fitted to your car...but...perfect world...? no

adjustable...again already mentioned, different variations of boost.. the right spring gets you the right level of response!

so you see i do know the answers...i also have a forge dv

 

[dan__smith]

...one of the compelling arguments I've seen on here for a while, and some interesting points. Is it fair to say, take your pick?

 

[Math]

as basically already mentioned

yes it does need it, eventually the seals will go and in a perfect world it would last the duration its fitted to your car...but...perfect world...? no

adjustable...again already mentioned, different variations of boost.. the right spring gets you the right level of response!

so you see i do know the answers...i also have a forge dv

ok , seems they are both pretty even IMO

Link to Rally Designs

 

[dan__smith]

Which one will give a loudish "woosh" noise

 

[cuprablue]

open 1mm is the same as open 10mm in terms of equalising pressure.

Yes and no . Any opening will allow the pressure to equalise but with a smaller one it will take much longer to do so. Presumably however this makes no effective difference between the two DVs as they obviously both work.

One difference between them that I've read though is that the Forge 007 is a diaphram type just like the stock one, (albeit obviously more robust) and the Bailey is a Piston type (as is the Forge 006). Personally I prefer the idea of a piston over a diaphram as pistons are inherently more robust, but I'm just talking generally not relating to DVs.

cuprablue