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Bluefin remap on brand new Leon Cupra R
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Thanks, in answers to your points:
1) Not really bothered about price as long as its not ridiculous (i.e. over £800)
2) That's one thing that puts me off REVO - most of the dealers as far as I can see are just regular garages that happen to sell REVO, so I don't really think they would know that much about re-mapping and what's best for my car etc. Maybe I'm worrying over nothing there but I'd just feel more comfortable getting it done by someone (or something, in the case of BlueFin) that does this all day long as knows everything about it.
3) Customer support is something that bothers me as I read several people complaining about REVO customer support on here.
4) Not too fussed about that as I don't really plan to do anything else to the car other than this stage 1 remap
5) Yeah being able to run a stock map is again where the BlueFin shines, because as far as I know with any other remap the only way to get it back to stock would be to take it back to the dealer that re-mapped it
6) People seem to say REVO is good because you can adjust it easily, but if you have to take it back to the REVO dealer every time you want to adjust it then in my eyes it is not really adjustable.
7) Yeah BlueFin and REVO quote very similar performance, but the APR one seems to be about 20 BHP more. Having said that, someone said REVO now have a newer map that gets similar figures... but they don't mention that on their website and again I'd be kind of worried that the dealer I took it to wouldn't know anything about this newer version if they were just your average garage that didn't specialise in this kind of thing
Surely your average garage doesn't have a rolling road though? Maybe I'm missing something but most of the REVO dealers near me seem to just be average garages from what I can see on their websites.
Is this the switch you mean? http://www.revotechnik.com/index.php?mod=sps
Is this the switch you mean? http://www.revotechnik.com/index.php?mod=sps
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if it needs opening up then i would guess it does doubt they open ECU's but they might would have to contact them!
Yes, SPS for vag on there somewhere. Links to manuals are there too.
Revo is available at all sorts of places, from Seat dealers to garages. I've had experience with two that do (or did in the case of one) Revo and both are more than just a garage with RR facilities etc.
I don't think all Revo dealers are created equal, in my opinion, and that's why where you are in proximity to a good one is more of a factor on who you choose of all the remap companies.
In answers to your points:
1) Not really bothered about price as long as its not ridiculous (i.e. over £800)
Most cost somewhere between £400-£600
2) That's one thing that puts me off REVO - most of the dealers as far as I can see are just regular garages that happen to sell REVO, so I don't really think they would know that much about re-mapping and what's best for my car etc. Maybe I'm worrying over nothing there but I'd just feel more comfortable getting it done by someone (or something, in the case of BlueFin) that does this all day long as knows everything about it.
Unless you go to the HQ of any of the tuners, its going to be the same deal. To be fair, most places that remap cars should have some kind of an idea as to what they are doing and will have been trained on everything to do with it whether its brand a, b or c. Revo would be no worse than any other tuner as far as this is concerned.
3) Customer support is something that bothers me as I read several people complaining about REVO customer support on here.
A lot of discussion has happened recently about Revo but they are not alone. If you go back in time, most tuners will have been the focal point of unwanted reviews. Remember that most people will be vocal about displeasure and rarely give praise where its due. Also consider the chances are most MK2 Leon 2.0T's will have a Revo map over any other map (check signatures, reader ride threads, post history etc). For the few negative reviews, loads of people will be, are, or have been happy.
4) Not too fussed about that as I don't really plan to do anything else to the car other than this stage 1 remap
You say that now
. Chances are you will want an exhaust, intake etc in time and more performance. It would be best to leave your options open
5) Yeah being able to run a stock map is again where the BlueFin shines, because as far as I know with any other remap the only way to get it back to stock would be to take it back to the dealer that re-mapped it
Correct. Bluefin is the only one that will remove a map in its entirety.
6) People seem to say REVO is good because you can adjust it easily, but if you have to take it back to the REVO dealer every time you want to adjust it then in my eyes it is not really adjustable.
You can get a Select Plus switch to do it yourself
7) Yeah BlueFin and REVO quote very similar performance, but the APR one seems to be about 20 BHP more. Having said that, someone said REVO now have a newer map that gets similar figures... but they don't mention that on their website and again I'd be kind of worried that the dealer I took it to wouldn't know anything about this newer version if they were just your average garage that didn't specialise in this kind of thing
You are focused on numbers all of a sudden
Any map put on your car by Revo would be the newest map and you would get the 320bhp just as BIGGAddicted got on his LCR - PM him and ask him what he thinks.
The best thing to do in fairness is call Revo HQ or the HQ of any tuner and speak to them and highlight your points, questions and concerns about having your car mapped. It may be worth a drive to that HQ to have it done by the main guys rather than a re-seller and you may save a few £ in the process
The chances are you will be more than happy with whichever map you chose. Going back to the list above however, having local support near by would be, if needed useful. Ask the HQ about that too
1) Not really bothered about price as long as its not ridiculous (i.e. over £800)
Most cost somewhere between £400-£600
2) That's one thing that puts me off REVO - most of the dealers as far as I can see are just regular garages that happen to sell REVO, so I don't really think they would know that much about re-mapping and what's best for my car etc. Maybe I'm worrying over nothing there but I'd just feel more comfortable getting it done by someone (or something, in the case of BlueFin) that does this all day long as knows everything about it.
Unless you go to the HQ of any of the tuners, its going to be the same deal. To be fair, most places that remap cars should have some kind of an idea as to what they are doing and will have been trained on everything to do with it whether its brand a, b or c. Revo would be no worse than any other tuner as far as this is concerned.
3) Customer support is something that bothers me as I read several people complaining about REVO customer support on here.
A lot of discussion has happened recently about Revo but they are not alone. If you go back in time, most tuners will have been the focal point of unwanted reviews. Remember that most people will be vocal about displeasure and rarely give praise where its due. Also consider the chances are most MK2 Leon 2.0T's will have a Revo map over any other map (check signatures, reader ride threads, post history etc). For the few negative reviews, loads of people will be, are, or have been happy.
4) Not too fussed about that as I don't really plan to do anything else to the car other than this stage 1 remap
You say that now
. Chances are you will want an exhaust, intake etc in time and more performance. It would be best to leave your options open 5) Yeah being able to run a stock map is again where the BlueFin shines, because as far as I know with any other remap the only way to get it back to stock would be to take it back to the dealer that re-mapped it
Correct. Bluefin is the only one that will remove a map in its entirety.
6) People seem to say REVO is good because you can adjust it easily, but if you have to take it back to the REVO dealer every time you want to adjust it then in my eyes it is not really adjustable.
You can get a Select Plus switch to do it yourself
7) Yeah BlueFin and REVO quote very similar performance, but the APR one seems to be about 20 BHP more. Having said that, someone said REVO now have a newer map that gets similar figures... but they don't mention that on their website and again I'd be kind of worried that the dealer I took it to wouldn't know anything about this newer version if they were just your average garage that didn't specialise in this kind of thing
You are focused on numbers all of a sudden
Any map put on your car by Revo would be the newest map and you would get the 320bhp just as BIGGAddicted got on his LCR - PM him and ask him what he thinks.
The best thing to do in fairness is call Revo HQ or the HQ of any tuner and speak to them and highlight your points, questions and concerns about having your car mapped. It may be worth a drive to that HQ to have it done by the main guys rather than a re-seller and you may save a few £ in the process
The chances are you will be more than happy with whichever map you chose. Going back to the list above however, having local support near by would be, if needed useful. Ask the HQ about that too
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Thanks for your responses Al - I've just booked the car in to get the Revo remap done on Thursday
OK make that Saturday, but hopefully that still qualifies for the 20% off offer that they've got on this week I'll be sure to post my thoughts a few days after I've had it done.
Also, to clarify for anyone else that comes across this thread and is a little confused about the state of the Revo remaps - after speaking to Revo HQ I can confirm that basically they had a map for the new Cupra R soon after it first came out, but then a couple of months ago released a new version that they say increases usability and power delivery, but does not necessarily increase the peak power itself over the original map (so their power estimate of 300 bhp on their website still stands). However, the guy I spoke to did say that personally he thinks peak power claims are a bit of a waste of time and that their original map could probably get anywhere between 300 and 320 bhp in the right conditions. He also said that any Revo dealer would have the latest and greatest maps on file so there was no need to worry about getting the older map. The Revo dealer near me that I'm taking it to (Autotechnica) also confirmed this and said that even if I had got the older map and then they'd brought out a new one they would apply the new one free of charge.
I'll be sure to post my thoughts a few days after I've had it done. Also, to clarify for anyone else that comes across this thread and is a little confused about the state of the Revo remaps - after speaking to Revo HQ I can confirm that basically they had a map for the new Cupra R soon after it first came out, but then a couple of months ago released a new version that they say increases usability and power delivery, but does not necessarily increase the peak power itself over the original map (so their power estimate of 300 bhp on their website still stands). However, the guy I spoke to did say that personally he thinks peak power claims are a bit of a waste of time and that their original map could probably get anywhere between 300 and 320 bhp in the right conditions. He also said that any Revo dealer would have the latest and greatest maps on file so there was no need to worry about getting the older map. The Revo dealer near me that I'm taking it to (Autotechnica) also confirmed this and said that even if I had got the older map and then they'd brought out a new one they would apply the new one free of charge.
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Sounds promising then I've no idea if the 300 they claim on the website is flywheel or wheel power though. To be honest anywhere around 300 and I'll be happy
I've no idea if the 300 they claim on the website is flywheel or wheel power though. To be honest anywhere around 300 and I'll be happy
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Thanks for your responses Al - I've just booked the car in to get the Revo remap done on Thursday
Good stuff! Have fun playing when its done and let us know what you think
Got the remap done today, drove it 35 miles home (although spent a lot of that stuck behind traffic) and if I'm honest the initial feeling is a bit less than I was expecting really. I mean its fast, but it felt fast anyway lol so its kind of hard to tell how much difference its made. Turbo whistles a bit now, not sure if its supposed to... but it hasn't transformed the car like some people say it does. Still need to get to about 3K RPM before there's any noticeable kind of pull and I'm not sure if the turbo really keeps going much longer than it did before. I guess it doesn't help that I'd only done 1300 miles in the car, so I wasn't that used to how it performed stock. Should have done some acceleration timings before and after really, but ah well.
Well it should have transformed the car. Even when I put a bluefin stage 1 on mine originally the difference was noticeable.
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. You maybe should have got used to it standard before mapping it Fair play for getting it done so soon though What settings were used? Did you ask for it to be set in any specific way?
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haha well I'd had it 2 weeks I figured that was long enough to get used to it
Nah they just did it and didn't mention any settings or anything. They did suggest that using super unleaded rather than regular unleaded would help, so I'll go give that a try now but in other cars I've had its never made any noticeable difference.
Nah they just did it and didn't mention any settings or anything. They did suggest that using super unleaded rather than regular unleaded would help, so I'll go give that a try now but in other cars I've had its never made any noticeable difference.
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Hmm maybe I should ask them to have another look at it then and make sure its all set right or maybe make it more aggressive if possible so that I can actually feel the difference? They did go test drive it after they'd done the remap so I assume they were happy it was doing what it was supposed to.
Just took it out for a spin and filled up with super unleaded too - definitely felt better today. Not sure if that was the super unleaded or the fact the roads I was on today were just more fun (and less full of traffic) than the ones I drove down yesterday.
One thing I'm still disappointed in though is the fact that you have to get to around 3K RPM before much happens. After reading reviews of various cars being remapped, I was always under the impression that remapping generally made the power more spread out across the rev range and lots of people said it meant that the car started pulling from much lower revs. So I was looking forward to that, but no... there's still a big delay when I put my foot down unless I'm above 3K already when I put my foot down. Can anyone else who's had theirs remapped give any comments on this? Does yours feel the same at lower revs?
One thing I'm still disappointed in though is the fact that you have to get to around 3K RPM before much happens. After reading reviews of various cars being remapped, I was always under the impression that remapping generally made the power more spread out across the rev range and lots of people said it meant that the car started pulling from much lower revs. So I was looking forward to that, but no... there's still a big delay when I put my foot down unless I'm above 3K already when I put my foot down. Can anyone else who's had theirs remapped give any comments on this? Does yours feel the same at lower revs?
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