braided hoses

[jamie paton]

hello folks, i'm selling my r32 alloys to fund new EBC discs and ferodo pads plus motul brake fluid. i was thinking about getting goodridge braided hoses, what are peoples opinions on braided hoses, for an extra 50 quid are they worth it and has anybody got them and what difference does it make.

 

[speedinsaxo]

I have braided hoses with 330mm disks, motul fluid and ds2500 pads. Lovely setup. Need to get some heat into them though. Then they really shine.

Can't comment on the difference the braided hoses have made as I got it all installed at the same time. I would say for 90% of driving it is very similar to stock, it;s when you push the car you notice the differences...

 

[Willie]

Well I'm maybe the only one that is starting to think that DS2500 pads are not for me.
To be honest the brakes in my car were far better than they are now. After driving DJHoraces MK2 Leon Cupra his brakes were far far better than mine and I mean miles. I have almost lost enough confidence in mine that I'm about to try stock pads again. No bullsh#t
I'm being 100% honest and my wife says exactly the same the feel of the pads from cold are worryingly faint. Due to clutch and wheel bearing problem I haven't had a chance to heat them up yet but so far not even remotely impressed. I have checked everything and apart from changing the brake lines I've upgraded the whole system.
I fitted the pads and discs myself and cleaned every bit of paint/corrosion coating from the discs before I fitted them, I cleaned the discs with nail polish remover after fitting and have ran the brakes in as recommended. I have tried stamping on them 2,000 miles after fitting and for the first split second there is nothing much happening. In the MK2 as soon as you even think about braking your shaving loads of mph's off the speedo.
Now I might be the only one and it could be something to do with the pads I've got or the discs but I'm very close to buying OEM pads to see the difference.
My set up is Front EBC Ulitmax discs with DS2500 pads, Rear EBC Ultimax discs with Pagid fast road pads. The brake fluid is Motul RBF 600 and definately bled through with no air or spongey feeling. I hope I'm wrong but have given them a good chance, once the clutch is changed I'll give them death and see then

 

[slick]

To be honest Junior Senior, I know people are going to say otherwise, but i reckon thats the EBC disc causing that delay... had a similar problem on my Focus years ago and it came down to the discs...
I have had DS2500 and all of my leon friends have mostly fitted them and not a grumble about them...

 

[Willie]

Aye that is possible
Changing to standard pads is cheaper though

 

[slick]

Aye, they are, but if it still does the same braking problem then its not cheaper, your still have to fork out for new discs and have a wasted pair of pads...

Do you not have the old disc still for a little test with the DS2500?

 

[Willie]

Na min in the big scrap yard in the sky

 

[jamie paton]

so has anybody else had bad experiences with the EBC / ferodo combination before i go spending my hard earned or are the majority of people happy then.

 

[Willie]

Sorry to be doom and gloom dude but better to know all sides before you make a descision
When I bought mine everyone said they were the dogs.
I'm not downing them, just yet.

 

[slick]

I think we need to clarify this thou senior...
Everyone has screamed and shouted the majority of the time for DS2500's.
When it comes to EBC brakes is where it splits, some people think thier great others have told of thier failings.
I personally and so has Unclefester found that the EBC discs warp oh to easily on a leon and shouldnt be used if your a heavy user of the anchors...
I personally have OE discs and DS2500's and they stop me fine. Jonjay has ATE powerdiscs and DS2500 he also has found them great for an upgrade and so many others have praised the DS2500's.

I think the problem lies in the EBC brakes, cheap and cheerful is my opinion of them, take what you will from that information, as it is only MY opinion.

In my opinion OE discs and DS2500 with upgraded lines and fluid is more than enough for the most of those looking for abit more firmer pedal and perdictable stopping.

 

[jamie paton]

well i don't do track days and most of the time i car share so with two "wiser" passengers than myself i dont get to drive at terminal speeds. i like driving fast when i'm in the car myself though i'm not a maniac . i just want brakes that'll stop me fine when i'm giving it some up to a roundabout and need to stop quickly. my cars remapped so the oe pads and discs could be a bit better. i'm really thinking about oe discs with ferodo pads and nraided hoses and fluid now.

 

[russman68]

Well i have a completely standard setup at the moment, stopping is 'good'.
I am about to have EBC ultimax grooved discs, ds2500 pads, braided hoses and motul fluid fitted and will give my honest opinion when all run in.
I drive pretty hard so should be able to rate the difference.

 

[cuprablue]

hello folks, i'm selling my r32 alloys to fund new EBC discs and ferodo pads plus motul brake fluid. i was thinking about getting goodridge braided hoses, what are peoples opinions on braided hoses, for an extra 50 quid are they worth it and has anybody got them and what difference does it make.

Braided hoses make a noticable difference on a Motorbike where the original hoses are a good meter long and made of relatively poorly reinforced rubber.
However, the difference isn't huge and I have to admit I'd be suspicious of anyone claiming huge differences on a car where 95% of the brake line is rigid metal anyway and the only flexible hose is only a few inches long.

Don't believe anyone that tells you they increase ultimate braking power because they don't, at least not dramatically. The most they do is help to reduce fade and increase feel/sensitivity at the brake lever, (or foot pedal for a car).

Steel hoses should be seen as a final finishing touch to a braking system, you should invest in the core components first, (ie master cylinder, discs, calipers, pads), as these will have far greater impact on braking performance.

cuprablue.

 

[irn_bru_ce]

.... The most they do is help to reduce fade and increase feel/sensitivity at the brake lever, (or foot pedal for a car).

Steel hoses should be seen as a final finishing touch to a braking system, you should invest in the core components first, (ie master cylinder, discs, calipers, pads), as these will have far greater impact on braking performance.

cuprablue.

they will not help fade one bit , thats a function of the pads , i fitted the hoses to my car , they give you a sharper pedal with more feel , and reduce the travel slightly , they should not be your first upgrade though , try pads first

 

[Stu_pot]

Nobody has mentioned that the DS2500's have a very specific bedding in procedure.

It's NOT a gentle procedure over a few hundred miles, the instructions are in the box.

From memory, as soon as possible after fitting you have to do the following :-

25-30 brake applications of 50% race pressure leaving approx 4 seconds in between each application.
This is quite unnerving because the chances are they will fade to nothing and will boil your fluid but let them cool down and everything starts to return to normal after some miles.

These are very tough RACE/track pads bettered only by the DS3000's, don't expect them to behave anything like a standard soft road pad because they simply won't.

You HAVE to follow the bedding in procedure in the instructions and you have to get heat in them for them to work efficiently.
Having said that, I found the cold bite and response reasonable for road use.

 

[RikH]

I know ive not got an LCR, but i have the exact set-up your planning on jamie.

Motul RBF600 fluid
Goodridge braided lines throughout
Ferodo ds2500
EBC dimpled & grooved 312'

Cold performance is better than OE, Hot performance is noticeably better than OE. But i wouldnt say they were worth expecting the earth from, as you may be disappointed. Im happy with them though, dont get me wrong. Oh and i dont have brembo's up front....

 

[ibizacupra]

Whats being described does not sound normal for ds2500's at all.
most bizarre.

I race on DS3000's, MrsB runs on DS2500's and without exception the brakes work far better than any OE stuff in any condition.

Bedding in, as said, is important to getting the things to work.. some good strong stops, allow cooling between may well rejuvinate the setup.

 

[RikH]

think ill give that a go today bill.

dont get me wrong, its better than OE by quite a bit, but not as much as the hype that surrounds them really.imo

 

[kez]

my setup should be arriving early next week

then got to fit them

 

[RikH]

PM me what you gone for kez?
supply cigs and tea and i may just be conned into helping you