CC phase1

[Pummy]

Let the man post up a graph and then let the fun begin.

 

[BIGAR]

As stated in my first post I don’t have a scanner, so I will get the PDF from JBS on Tuesday and post it, also as stated in my first post I am hoping to get it independently RR as I like an impartial view, not that I don’t believe the figures as I seen the car make 250.5bhp as standard and then 315.9bhp after the map with my own eyes on the RR, also not because a give a sh*t about what peoples views are this its just so every thing I state is factually correct and that nobody can come back and say Dyno lottery etc. In addition I have learnt to very impartial when it comes to remapping ECU's as there are a lot of good maps out there a lot of it is down to personal preference and how you like the power delivered not just headline figures

I realise some feathers have been ruffled in the thread mine included on this note I would like to say garycupratdi "I love you" sorry for being harsh mate.

I will post figures BHP, Torque Boost etc JBS RR and independent RR as soon as I get them so we all can review the findings

P.S Please don’t think for one second that I am brain washed in to thinking CC are the only tuners on the planet

 

[garycupratdi]

The only reason i piped up is because when mine was mapped with cc2 all he really did was put the boost through the roof to achieve big power when in actual fact it was running like a bag of sh1t so got awesome to put there beta apr stage 2 on and not only did it make more power but it lowered the boost quite a bit.
look at my run on there rollers with cc2

I'd say that for the mods that my car had 204 at the fly is piss poor.
My mods where: APR 3" Downpipe and full system, Samco TIP, Dynatwist, APR FMIC, CustomCode Remap
After awesome had put there stage 2 apr software on i was running 250bhp with less boost go figure???

 

[seat_lion]

what my query is why was your car running 250.5bhp on standard boost when a number of companies have place the actual standard figure for the new cupra as 265bhp i know each car is diffrent but to be 15bhp is quite a bit of diffrence

and only reason i do ask what boost figure your running is id like to know at what level of boost is aclaimed to be low and still achieve 315bhp

no one is trying to disrespect you or cc its just a curiosity thing and like you say each to their own we all have personal prefrences for instance my own prefrence is star performance althou i know alot of people will have lots of negative things to say about them just like every company

 

[Pummy]

Have you been able to get that graph scanned at all? Would be interesting to see the boost curve you have.

 

[jonathanp]

the whole issue of standard MK2 cupra's running 260ish bhp is all a bit bizarre, some people have been to RR's and got bang on the money for stock figures while other have got anywhere in between.

I remember when the LCR was first launched people had them RR'd and the 210's came out at around 240bhp and the 225's came out at around 250bhp

take a still standard LCR to a RR now and it'll probably be nearer book figures, is it possible the RR's need adjustment for 2.0T or could it be that once the engines are run in the power will drop to nearer stock figures but the torque will increase?

BIGAR did you say your car had 256lb/ft at 6761 rpm? if so then the peak power should be 329bhp not 315bhp

 

[BIGAR]

the whole issue of standard MK2 cupra's running 260ish bhp is all a bit bizarre, some people have been to RR's and got bang on the money for stock figures while other have got anywhere in between.

I remember when the LCR was first launched people had them RR'd and the 210's came out at around 240bhp and the 225's came out at around 250bhp

take a still standard LCR to a RR now and it'll probably be nearer book figures, is it possible the RR's need adjustment for 2.0T or could it be that once the engines are run in the power will drop to nearer stock figures but the torque will increase?

BIGAR did you say your car had 256lb/ft at 6761 rpm? if so then the peak power should be 329bhp not 315bhp

Sorry guys still awatiing PDF
"BIGAR did you say your car had 256lb/ft at 6761 rpm? "

and yes that is correct,

"if so then the peak power should be 329bhp not 315bhp" not sure how that one is worked out, any chance of explaining that one to me ?

also I am gonna try and locate a scanner so i can publish my copy,

Hopin to get a independent figure this weekend if i can get it booked in but like I said I did see it make 250 then 315 bhp ? I do have the standard graph as well so i will see if i can get that one posted as well

thanks for your input mate

 

[jonathanp]

power (bhp) = (torque (lb/ft) multiplied by RPM) divided by 5252

256lb/ft X 6761 = 1730816

1730816 / 5252 = 329.55 BHP


torque lb/ft and BHP should also cross at 5252 RPM on a graph if scaled correctly

not sure why the graph above from awesome doesn't

 

[BIGAR]

some good info there mate

UMM so that means it should be producing aprox ~ 244.69lb/ft to make 315 bhp at the making the graph out by 10 on the y axis scale bringing the bhp down to 305.9 bhp which sounds abut right

we should be detectives

all will tell when i go at the weekend and get it independently RR again

thanks mate for your help

 

[jonathanp]

no probs, RR's never seem to be an exact science unfortunately

you'll know yourself how much difference a remap has made and thats all that really matters

 

[garycupratdi]

Just thought i'd drag this up and ask BIGAR if you managed to get your car rr'd and also would be nice to see this dyno plot you've promised us all????

 

[Pummy]

Just to bump this up to bring it back onto BIAGR's radar. If not, can you not ask CC to scan it in for you and for them to eMail you? Any one of us can host the file, if SCN cannot / do not host on the site.

 

[BIGAR]

Just to bump this up to bring it back onto BIAGR's radar. If not, can you not ask CC to scan it in for you and for them to eMail you? Any one of us can host the file, if SCN cannot / do not host on the site.

Not forgot mate just been busy with work not had a chance to get it independently RR but YIN off the forum has hosted these ya can see from the torque curve that the car is not running high boost as requested.

http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa126/leoncupra_2007/

 

[Pummy]

Not forgot mate just been busy with work not had a chance to get it independently RR but YIN off the forum has hosted these ya can see from the torque curve that the car is not running high boost as requested.

http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa126/leoncupra_2007/

Thanks for that. Only point I would raise is to see if JBS can plot the boost pressure as well on the same graph. Appreciate if the VAG lump has not point to tap off a pressure sensor as my old trolley had a point to let the RR take a reading.

An AFR (Air Fuel Ratio) plot would be good too, but appreciate that might be overkill.

JBS should be able to send you an excel spreadsheet with all the values during the run, assuming they keep all previous run data, if you want to redraw to a different scale.