Clio 172 Vs Leon Cupra TDI

[pbirkett]

Mine is a 182.

I've heard they are supposed handle better than the 172, but not having driven a 172 I cannot honestly say.

 

[DIFT]

Hmmm.... a standard Clio 172 or 182 will absolutely kill a standard whatever TDI. A remapped one, yes close, but still no way. I know, I have owned both.

Clio 182 = 1090 kg, 0-60 in 6.3 seconds, 30-70 in 5.8 seconds, 0-100 in 17 seconds.

Leon TDI PD150 = 1350 kg approx, 0-60 in 8 seconds, 30-70 in 7.5 seconds, 0-100 in about 23 seconds.

No chance!

And yes, it WILL win around the twisties as well.

I have to disagree. Look at the article testdrive did with the clio and cupra TDI http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/grouptests/car/585/seat_ibiza_cupra_tdi.html . The data bank shows no difference between the cars 0-60, and 30-70 through the gears. Being that close it's down to the better driver. A remapped Ibiza would certainly pull gently passed the clio. Ive had no problems with clios.

Discuss

 

[pbirkett]

No point in discussing - comparing a tuned car with a standard one is pointless

And fair enough, I guess I cant really argue with those stats. Mind you, i would like to have seen a 0-100 score...

Still came 2nd though didnt it?

 

[DIFT]

a standard Clio 172 or 182 will absolutely kill a standard whatever TDI. A remapped one, yes close, but still no way.

This is the quote i was refering to. A revo'd Ibiza would see away a clio. I have no doubt about it. It is a TDI with a remap. I think even as standard it would be pretty close. The clio wouldnt as you say absolutely kill it (on a straight road of course).
And yes the clio wont the test, even though the cupra is better built and faster, and they prefered it.... No taste i tell you!!!

 

[redcupratdi]

Ibiza cupras tdi fully remapped up to 210 bhp would just beat a clio,

ROUND THE TWISTIES would be simalar b roads, unless it's go kart track!

going to santa pod tomorrow, yeah!!! I'll post my times good or bad tomorrow!

 

[redcupratdi]

autocars quote:

"although the Clio won't win any beauty contests, it will still attract more attention than the somewhat staid Ibiza Cupra."

P*ss off would it!!!

 

[acidstrato]

id love to see a standard 182 make 60 in 6.3s

iv seen some struggle to break 7 dead even though the book is like 6.8

 

[micky 32]

No point in discussing - comparing a tuned car with a standard one is pointless

why not? For instance a PD 150 is a tweaked PD 130 in effect, a Clio 182 is a tuned 172 etc difference is its tuned at the factory, its just unlucky if your standard and you come across a tuned one.

 

[pbirkett]

id love to see a standard 182 make 60 in 6.3s

iv seen some struggle to break 7 dead even though the book is like 6.8

Actually it seems pretty fair to me. Mine definitely seems to do it in less than 7. (Autocar did the 6.3 run, if you are interested)

OTOH, I struggle to see a standard beeza cupra TDI do it in less than 7... its heavier than the Clio, has less power, and needs 1 more gearchange to do it.

I still say the 182 is faster than a Beeza TDI. Might not absolutely kill it, but it will be faster.

OK, so if you Revo it, the TDI will be slightly quicker, but it'll still be a diesel at the end of the day, and will never be as fun to drive as a high revving petrol. And if you tune the 182... well it might be a different story again.

I love these posts comparing tuned cars with standard ones

 

[pbirkett]

autocars quote:

"although the Clio won't win any beauty contests, it will still attract more attention than the somewhat staid Ibiza Cupra."

P*ss off would it!!!

Matter of opinion. I think the Clio is better looking. You think the Beeza is. Who's right?

why not? For instance a PD 150 is a tweaked PD 130 in effect, a Clio 182 is a tuned 172 etc difference is its tuned at the factory, its just unlucky if your standard and you come across a tuned one.

Hardly the same thing... yes by all means compare a STANDARD PD150/130/160 with a STANDARD 172/182. But why bother comparing a REVO car with a STANDARD 172/182 ?

Despite that, I reckon there'll still be little in it below 100, which is where the performance matters most.

Some of us prefer to buy cars that drive brilliantly out of the box, than take a diseasal and try and make it into some focused drivers car

 

[acidstrato]

i havent seen anybody say the ibiza is quicker, only that the clio isnt that much quicker

by doing a rolling start, the high revving clio lost its main advantage over the diesel and so it was more about the diesels torque from there

uv made ur point about 'out of the box' vs modified

but its not like we're talking about a new turbo or nos, just upping the boost from the factory standard cos the factory send em out low to begin with

dispite all this i can honestly say the clio is quicker. just not as quick as a revo'd 1.8T

 

[sicasey]

Snore.........

 

[sri_130]

Christ. If I'd know i'd have started a war, I'd have kep my mouth shut!....

Good to hear these opinions though. One little thing I did forget to mention was the fact that we went Keswick to Leeds pretty much with our foots to the floor. He got back and computer said 28mpg average and the leon was doing 42mpg.

I saved myself a few quid by just staying on his bumper. Bonus!

 

[pbirkett]

dispite all this i can honestly say the clio is quicker. just not as quick as a revo'd 1.8T

Never said it was... a few of my mates have chipped 1.8T's and I readily admit they are quicker, but so they should be considering the torque and power advantage they tend to have.

One of my mates wants to do a little race between his and mine one time, as he said he's had a little go at one once and said it was closer than he expected, so maybe we'll do that and I'll report back

SRI_130 - I hear you mate about the fuel economy, a 2.0 litre petrol hot hatch aint never gonna be all that great for economy though !

 

[DIFT]

I love these posts comparing tuned cars with standard ones

You started it

 

[pbirkett]

Whatever you say bud!

 

[S14A]

I had a choice of a 182, Civic Type R and a Tuned TDI and after driving all three it was a no brainer the Golf was the best all rounder and quickest in a straight line And with the full bilstein suspension it is wicked on corners and twisties too!! Almost as good as my GTI-6 I use to own which is the king of handling. Oh and the build quality was better than the others too and felt more expensive to drive if you know what I mean!

Was originally in the market for a Leon Cupra R but was just a tiny bit out of my budget!

 

[trickyF1]

I swapped my 172 Cup for a tdi Fr and much as the tdi is fast....it is not as fast as the clio by a resonable amount...perhaps at higher speed on a track the tdi might be similar-ish over the ton...

Thats before you get to the corners and under braking where the clio is in a different league.

Then again the clio is not a car you can do 50mpg in and cruise in peace and quiet.

 

[Civic_Legend]

Vs. my mates old 172 cup - the clio was slightly quicker when I was standard, once remapped the tables were turned quite significantly in the ibiza's favour. Its now almost identical in performance to his nice new clio v6, which annoys him somewhat.

14.7 at 92.5 mph (ibiza) vs 14.6 at 94 mph (v6)

 

[trickyF1]

It all depends on what people definition of fast is... the clio was fast everywhere...the tdi's are fast in a straight line but once you get to corner you can really feel the chassis struggling...

It all depends what people want from the cars they drive...