Couple of questions on tuning the Cupra...

[Vidal Baboon]

Which remap for a standard car?

I understand many threads have been started on individual remaps, but has there been any back to back testing?
Seeing as they're pretty close in price, both promise a gain in power, although I'm keen to hear which remap is the best to go for.


There are two companies I can take my car to locally- 1 is a Superchips dealer, the other is a REVO dealer.



I've spoken to both companies, but would like some independant knowledge from customers.

Which would suit best- not only for outright power, but which makes the most of the power throughout the rev range?

I've never been keen on the way the turbo comes in as standard, ideally, i'd like it to make more power further down the rev range, making for a more muscular feeling engine.



I'm only looking at Stage 1 only, as I'm quite happy with it at low speeds, but would like a bit more punch higher up. Also, so it doesn't scare the wife too much.

The superchips dealer says I won't get anywhere near 300bhp as the fuelling will be weak & to expect about 270-280bhp so I don't fully know what to expect from Superchips.

He was'nt too complimentary about REVO & other branded remaps- stating too many were 'claiming' 300bhp, but most were so close to detination from under fuelling, he would'nt be happy to do that to my car.

So, where to next?


Also, does the MK1 LCR splitter fit the MK2 Leon Cupra (non aero) front end?



Thanks in advance.

 

[Al]

Which remap for a standard car?

I understand many threads have been started on individual remaps, but has there been any back to back testing?
Seeing as they're pretty close in price, both promise a gain in power, although I'm keen to hear which remap is the best to go for.


There are two companies I can take my car to locally- 1 is a Superchips dealer, the other is a REVO dealer.



I've spoken to both companies, but would like some independant knowledge from customers.

Which would suit best- not only for outright power, but which makes the most of the power throughout the rev range?

I've never been keen on the way the turbo comes in as standard, ideally, i'd like it to make more power further down the rev range, making for a more muscular feeling engine.



I'm only looking at Stage 1 only, as I'm quite happy with it at low speeds, but would like a bit more punch higher up. Also, so it doesn't scare the wife too much.

The superchips dealer says I won't get anywhere near 300bhp as the fuelling will be weak & to expect about 270-280bhp so I don't fully know what to expect from Superchips.

He was'nt too complimentary about REVO & other branded remaps- stating too many were 'claiming' 300bhp, but most were so close to detination from under fuelling, he would'nt be happy to do that to my car.

So, where to next?


Also, does the MK1 LCR splitter fit the MK2 Leon Cupra (non aero) front end?



Thanks in advance.

Interesting scare sales tactics - promoting one product at the expense of another rival one. Not smart.

The fuel issue is something of concern on the TFSI engine down to the OEM fuel pump not being able to produce fuel required on mapped cars. However the good news is that on a remap only car, you will not see these issues unless you are running an extreme map or extreme settings. Even then, the car will protect itself by retarding things in the engine to stop bad things happening.

You have to make your mind up on which company to go for based on cost, ease of getting it fitted etc. Revo will make better figures than Superchips and is adjustable where Superchips isnt. More cars on here have Revo than Superchips and there are numerous threads which can be found about maps, peoples opinions and r/r graphs if you search for them.

If you are concerned about Revo based on Superchips comments, why not post something in the Revo section on this forum and speak to Kev or Carl who will be more than happy to answer any questions or concerns you may have about mapping your car.

PS - The LCR splitter fits the LCR perfectly - it was never designed for the MK2. PPS - Congrats on not having Aero bumpers

 

[SteveTDCi]

From what you have written I would go for Revo or possibly GIAC, Superchips stage 1 is very similar to a standard cupra until you hit 4500rpm then all hell breaks loose, so if power lower down is what you want then Revo it is. I have superchips btw and am more than happy with it.

 

[Vidal Baboon]

Thanks very much for the reply. I will give REVO a ring tommorow...

I'm sure i've seen MK2 Leon Cupras wearing MK1 LCR Splitters on here

 

[Poverty]

Power low down will eat your clutch if you do pulls from low rpm in 4th, 5th or 6th btw.

 

[Al]

From what you have written I would go for Revo or possibly GIAC, Superchips stage 1 is very similar to a standard cupra until you hit 4500rpm then all hell breaks loose, so if power lower down is what you want then Revo it is. I have superchips btw and am more than happy with it.

Have you been in a Revo car to know this? Its not the case that you have a glut at the bottom and it dies by the top.

What you will find however is that the upper power comes better regardless of the software when you start adding fuel pumps, intercoolers, exhausts and intakes as the car is in a better position to give good power where it should.

 

[warren_cox]

Beware the blabbering of any sales person that uses scare tactics about another companies product as a method of selling his own. I only ever trust impartial sales people.

Do you see the Revo customers on here lining up with disatisfaction and misery (if that was the case there would be LOADS of us as there are many Revo customers on here).

If I part-ex our S3 this weekend, once I've picked up our new car the FIRST thing I'm going to to is drive to Revo with my (Audi S5/Porsche Cayman S - delete as appropriate after the weekend) and have it Revo'd to put the car right. Why? because after 4 cars mapped with them I trust their work and love the product. And they actively listen to customers.

Make a decision on what you feel is best for your needs and convenience, but base it around choosing a good tuning centre who you can TRUST, then return to and develop your future modifications with. Likewise if you get problems you have a home to go to for them to help with diagnosis as the dealers aren't always best at this.

Good luck.

 

[Revo Kev]

Essentially there's nothing wrong with any of the reputable software out there, some are just better than others. We offer a lot of adjustment so your car will be setup to suit your requirements, fuel quality and conditions. Power delivery throughout the rev range is massively improved and you'll wonder why it wasn't done from the factory! So you're aware we offer a 30day money back guaranty on all our software (not that you'll need to use it). If you have any specific questions or would like to have a chat with us you can give us a call in the office on 01327 301 901.

 

[Vidal Baboon]

Thanks for the talk Kev.

BTW- was it you I spoke to about 3 months ago regarding remapping a MK II Octavia VRS that I was in the middle of purchasing...

Then you talked me into looking at the Leon Cupra, which I ended up buying?


If so, then I'd like to thank you again!


Right then, back to the splitter! Anyone?

 

[Revo Kev]

No problem!

I think it possibly was me you had the car conversation with, I do recall a conversation comparing the two!

Re. the splitter I think they're around £18 from SEAT (or at least used to be), if you don't get an answer it's something you'd easily sell on if you can't adapt it (the top of the center slats would need cutting off!) SEAT part number is: 1ML 805 903

 

[robdf2]

Power low down will eat your clutch if you do pulls from low rpm in 4th, 5th or 6th btw.

But also being lazy say in 6th and pulling through to get motorway speeds will also kill your clutch

 

[SteveTDCi]

Have you been in a Revo car to know this? Its not the case that you have a glut at the bottom and it dies by the top.

What you will find however is that the upper power comes better regardless of the software when you start adding fuel pumps, intercoolers, exhausts and intakes as the car is in a better position to give good power where it should.

nope, my understanding from looking at forums was that the REVO map was a lot stronger from lower down the rev range, where as bluefin which is what I have doesn't produce its best until 4500, well with stage 1 that is. Superchips knock back stage 1 because of the TBE and induction, once these are sorted stage 2 produces power much lower down, stage 3 needs the HPFP and then power can be increased further but I believe they reduce the electronic throttle pedal (sorry cannot think of the exact terminology) due to the increase in power / torque which I assume Revo don't, its all dependent on what the customer base wants. For me Suprechips won because it was cheaper than REVO, unless revo would have sold me a switchable stage 1 map for £200 then I would have considered them, but my last 3 cars have all been superchipped.

 

[robdf2]

tbh no map is better than another unless one does bugger all !

people have different driving styles so one type of map will or wont appeal to them , if you are happy with the map you have then you have the one that is best suited to you.

on my old volvo , yes a volvo i had an upsolute map and it was the dogs , scoobies no problems , R32 no problems , it was well suited to the car.

just look at more go's map for the ST its a great package for the car , got rave reviews but i am sure it wont be some ST owners cup of tea.

 

[SteveTDCi]

uposlute were always supposed to be good but the ST boys love dream science

 

[Poverty]

uposlute were always supposed to be good but the ST boys love dream science

Dreamscience do a sexy as unit where you can adjust settings. Am hoping revo will come out with something similiar in the future.

As a note, with revo, say your car breaks down and you want to get it towed to the dealer, if you disconnect the battery for 20 minutes, it will reset the revo settings to 0 across the board, ie revo's version of stock mode, and the car will drive as if it isnt mapped. A handy tip there.

 

[JMP]

But also being lazy say in 6th and pulling through to get motorway speeds will also kill your clutch

As long as its not slipping when pulling, why worry. Riding the clutch with a lot of power applied is what really kills it.

 

[robdf2]

As long as its not slipping when pulling, why worry. Riding the clutch with a lot of power applied is what really kills it.

Worry because it puts strain on the clutch that will lead to it slipping
been there done that

 

[JMP]

Worry because it puts strain on the clutch that will lead to it slipping
been there done that

It puts a strain on a clutch but its not wearing if its not slipping. When its slipping its wearing.

 

[rudgey]

Dreamscience do a sexy as unit where you can adjust settings. Am hoping revo will come out with something similiar in the future.

Errrm, is the select plus switch not what you want?

linky http://www.revotechnik.com/products/sps.aspx

 

[Poverty]

Errrm, is the select plus switch not what you want?

linky http://www.revotechnik.com/products/sps.aspx

The dreamscience one is much better than that neanderthal black box.

http://www.dreamscience-automotive.co.uk/dreamscience-news/announcing-the-stratagem-ultra.php