zesty

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Right, will a HKS SSQV blow off valve fit onto my ibiza cupra if ive already got a forge BOV fitted to a t-piece? obviously taking the forge one off first though??
All answers ASAP please. thanx alot,

Zesty!!
 
does it recirculate or is it atmospheric??? if its atmospheric then it wont work:(
 
What forge BOV have you got at the moment?? A Split R? Split R's are still recerc valves but are designed to work with the 1.8 T engine to make the whoosh noise without throwing up faults, As for the HKS BOV it wouldnt put it anywhere near my cupra.
 
ive got a forge bov and its atmospheric. had it on for 10 month now and no problems at all!!!
 
its on ebay, this is the link... 190126650528 that the item number. go take a look and get back to me.

What i di was cut the pipe to the inlet manifold a fitted a t piece in there and then extended the vacuum hosing to the dump valve. works well just spring isn't strong enough and it doesn't hold shut. so tried my mates sappie cossie graham goode atmospheric valve on and works beautifully..
 
TBH i thought atmospheric DV threw up faults to the ecu and make your car run gay, but like you've said you've had one on for 10 months and no problems sooooo........

Lets see what some other 'smarter' people say lol.
 
Do a search, its been covered countless times. Theres been alot of debate about it. Bottom line is, 1.8T on standard management is not comptaible with ANY fully atmospheric valves.
 
HKS SSQV valves have been run on the 1.8T engines. Ran fine for a while as well but eventually ......... it failed.

Do a search on 'HKS SSQV' in the Leon section and see what I mean
 
just dont bother with a bov......

bov not good on 1.8t :banned:

ive got a CAI from ebay with bailey dv30 an that is bloody loud, i would say very very close to ATMOSPHERIC loud

loads of people have said to me "god your dv is loud what have you done to it"
 
oki koki, well mine is pretty loud but it doesnt hold the boost. it runs fine n dandy otherwise?? i heard about the trouble other people have had but thought what the hell.. ive getten a bailey dv now so ill try that.. ill write info if it works or if it fails. wish me luck!!!!
 
oki koki, well mine is pretty loud but it doesnt hold the boost. it runs fine n dandy otherwise?? i heard about the trouble other people have had but thought what the hell.. ive getten a bailey dv now so ill try that.. ill write info if it works or if it fails. wish me luck!!!!

Your wasting your time/money mate. IT WILL NOT WORK. The ECU relies on the air thats recirculated by the recirc valve because the ECU is coded to run on a closed loop system. By adding a wooshy dump valve your opening the closed circuit.
 
Please read (found by using the search function).....

"No rhime or reason"

But:

(and concentrate, here comes the science bit!)

A modern engine management system, ie the Bosch Me unit fitted to 1.8T's has "adaptive" learning on the fuel, ignition and airflow side.

Because Me is a Torque based structure it's calculation of engine torque verses driver demand is critical to the driveability of the car and it's performance / durability.

When you fit a "leak" in the intake system (open circuit valve) the original calibration of the MAF sensor to manifold and cylinder filling modeling will not corespond. However due to the 20% allowance in the long term adaptive values the ECU will relearn you engine and "leak"

At idle the inlet model calculated airflow will exceed the MAF meters measured output, and depending on the state of your particular components - ie MAF ageing / contamination, throttle plate leakage, Fuel tank purge vapour concentration this may, or may not push the adaptive to it's 20% limit. If it hits the limit the ME unit will run in FMEM mode (Failure mode and effects management) causing reduced system efficiency. The Me unit will use the switching signal from the lambda sensor to return fuelling to lambda 1, storing the correction as a map agaisnt airflow. and add this correction to the fueling calc when operating at non closed loop conditions, ie WOT, fuel injector reenstatment (after overrun shut off, traction control intervention etc.) Now depending on how you drive and how sensative you are this may or may not be felt by the driver during certain manovevers. The throttle plate position will also learn the new airflow to maintain control of idle speed, but you may notice poor engine load rejection, ie turn on the aircon and the engine speed varries etc. or engine speed flares on starts or when operating PAS when parking.

However in all cases this will result in "incorrect" fueling. Now by "incorrect" i mean, not as the manufacturer intended. A post MAF leak will cause rich operation initially, but the adaptives will pull fuel out and become negative. This tends to cause a rich to lean spike on tip outs and other throttle transient. Now it is extremely diffucult for an untrained observer to spot these effects as they occur mainly on throttle transients, when the average drive may not notice. Therefore you could say "why do i care?". Well, any AFR excursion from the intended fuelling set by the manufacturer will result in non-standard engine operation. because of the adaptives this is unlikely to cause immediate engine problems, but over the course of time will change things like catalyst ageing, exhaust and turbo charger valve durability etc. Manufactures spend millions accruing miles on development fleets so hopefully the customers don't get landed with big bills as time goes on, and with most modern cars life'd at 150k miles (min design life) this is a big task.
It is unlikely that this will result in any performance loss, as at WOT the system is open loop, but you may see the result of an open circuit valve oas over fueling on gear changes etc. (a tell tail puff of black smoke is what you can see, a 1200 degC Catalyst is what you can't see, as excess fuel when injection reenstates and excess air from overrun shut off period combine in cat)

Now as you can see this is a seriously complicated subject and i haven't even mentioned the dreaded EOBD or OBDII words yet. Typically Bosch Me units have approximately 9000 calibratable parameters (constants, maps etc) and an engine calibration program will take a team of 8 calibration engineers 18 months to do the basic mapping and OBD validation. These days it's no problem to do the basic fuel and spark mapping, maybe 4 weeks on a midlimit engine on a dyno, but the diagnostics and emmisions devs takes years.

Moral or the story, before you start playing with something you don't understand, find someone who does!(And not just thinks they do!)

(for anyone thinking, "hey what makes me such an "expert" on this subject?" then i'd better mention the last 10 years i've spent as a senior calibration engineer at Cosworth and Prodrive!)

(sorry , another monster post!)