DPJ's GTRS Eliminator Install and Development

[DPJ]

LOL - thats uncannily similar
Wonder what specific code to suit would make?

same boost on both, same ign etc?

The similarities and differences are really interesting (to me lol )

I'm running an MBC with boost pegged at 1.5 bar. Jonah's on an N75 - I think it was HB6. Mine is T9, I don't think Jonah's was as high.

 

[RobDon]

That's actually good, shows the ATP Eliminator is not nearly as bad as alot of people think it is.

 

[DPJ]

That's actually good, shows the ATP Eliminator is not nearly as bad as alot of people think it is.

I was surprised. You can see mine behind slightly on spool to 4k but by 4.5k it's in front.

 

[DPJ]

**I really like the look of Jonah's installation and I'm sure his has got the potential to knock spots off mine.

 

[Damoegan]

Wow, I've just read through this whole thread . I knew you had put a lot into developing your kit Dave but as much as this. My hat goes off to you mate. Top stuff and fair play

 

[ibizacupra]

That's actually good, shows the ATP Eliminator is not nearly as bad as alot of people think it is.

would you still say this??

 

[DPJ]

Wow, I've just read through this whole thread . I knew you had put a lot into developing your kit Dave but as much as this. My hat goes off to you mate. Top stuff and fair play

Cheers. Most off the work was a year ago now. I don't regret doing it - it was a diy challenge that taught me a lot. Touch wood, but the custom induction is spot on - not worth altering. The custom intercooler set up is spot on. The gearchange problem is sorted - it's as good as any other change now. It's still brings a big grin to my face every time I drive it. I'd like to get the mapping sorted to take full advantage of the wmi, I just never seem to have time to move it on.

 

[RobDon]

would you still say this??

Performance-wise yes, it's the quality that lets ATP down. They promise bigger and better things with the Eliminator 2 series, different manifolds, etc..

 

[brad1]

Put a little bit of thought into the coldside run. I raided the LCR pipe kit again for a couple of 45 degree silicons, but I think I managed to keep it short.

It was fun taking it for a drive like this - you do get funny looks!

In all honesty, I had a real fight to get the bumper back on. The pre-facelift doesn't fit over the LCR intercooler. I had to get my jigsaw out to effect a temporary solution. It's currently bulging around the top grilles because the moulding along the bottom (original) grille is tight against the intercooler bottom. I'm going to have to carve some of that away. You'll see from the next photo (sorry about the light) that the bottom part of the intercooler is blocked.

I did manage some logs with the front on, though....

19 degrees outside temp
LB9 T5

Sunday	22	July	2007	20:24:33			
06A 906 032 HN		1.8L R4/5VT         0002					

'003				Group B:	'020		
Idle speed	Air mass in	Throt Angle	Ignit Angle	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
2440	28.75	18	26.3	0	0	0	1.5
2520	38.11	31.4	26.3	0	0	0	0
2680	49.94	97.3	26.3	0	0	0	0
2880	56.42	100	25.5	0	0	0	0
3120	63.75	100	24.8	0	0	0	0
3360	74.08	100	24	0	0	0	0
3600	88.86	100	22.5	0	0	0	0
3880	107.47	100	18.8	0	0	0	0
4240	131.25	100	15.8	0	0	0	0
4680	153.75	100	9.8	0	0	0	0
5000	171.89	100	10.5	0	0	0	0
5400	177.36	100	10.5	0	0	0	0
5720	187.58	100	12	0	0	0	0
6000	191	100	12.8	0	0	0	0
6280	195.69	100	13.5	0	0	0	0
6520	193.58	100	14.3	0	0	0	0

Sunday	22	July	2007	20:27:22	
06A 906 032 HN		1.8L R4/5VT         0002			

Group A:	'115			Group B:	'031
Engine Speed	Engine Load	Spec. Boost	Actual Boost	Lambda Factor	Lambda Factor
 /min	%	 mbar	 mbar		
3000	51.9	990	1080	0.977	1
3080	77.4	1930	1080	0.875	0.969
3200	96.2	1960	1290	0.922	0.914
3400	109.8	2020	1460	0.852	0.836
3680	124.1	2090	1630	0.821	0.828
3920	138.3	2190	1820	0.813	0.813
4280	155.6	2230	2090	0.797	0.805
4760	172.9	2250	2310	0.789	0.805
5120	181.2	2230	2350	0.789	0.805
5520	175.2	2230	2220	0.797	0.805
5840	169.9	2220	2220	0.797	0.805
6160	165.4	2230	2160	0.797	0.805
6400	160.9	2250	2170	0.789	0.805
6680	157.9	2240	2270	0.789	0.805

Sunday	22	July	2007	20:30:10	
06A 906 032 HN		1.8L R4/5VT         0002			

Group A:	'118			Group B:	'032
Engine Speed	Air Temp In	Boost Dut Cyc	Actual Boost	Idle O2 Adapt	Run O2 Adapt
 /min	°C	%	 mbar	%	%
2840	23	0	1020	1.9	1.6
2920	23	100	1080	1.9	1.6
3080	22	100	1270	1.9	1.6
3280	21	100	1420	1.9	1.6
3520	21	100	1540	1.9	1.6
3880	21	100	1780	1.9	1.6
4240	21	64.7	2020	1.9	1.6
4640	22	58	2200	1.9	1.6
5080	23	51.4	2350	1.9	1.6
5480	24	42.4	2270	1.9	1.6
5880	25	42.4	2180	1.9	1.6
6160	27	45.5	2210	1.9	1.6
6440	27	49.4	2220	1.9	1.6
6720	29	49	2250	1.9	1.6
6960	30	47.1	2170	1.9	1.6
5960	27	0	1290	1.9	1.6
5160	24	0	1090	1.9	1.6

reffering to the intercooler pipework mate, just wondering, how did you get the right hand side pipework up through to the top of the engine bay, have you any more pics mate cause this is the similar sort of route i need for my custom intercooler which i am still deciding about at the moment

 

[DPJ]

reffering to the intercooler pipework mate, just wondering, how did you get the right hand side pipework up through to the top of the engine bay, have you any more pics mate cause this is the similar sort of route i need for my custom intercooler which i am still deciding about at the moment

RH as you look at it (ie LH of car).

.....through the plastic side panel, 90 degree upwards in front of the clutch housing, 45 degrees back into the charge pipe.

 

[brad1]

RH as you look at it (ie LH of car).

.....through the plastic side panel, 90 degree upwards in front of the clutch housing, 45 degrees back into the charge pipe.

maybe yours is easier to route than mine, maybe cause mine is a tdi?

 

[DPJ]

A little play tonight and a tweak with Unisettings.........

Thursday	30	October	2008	19:08:19			
06A 906 032 HN		1.8L R4/5VT         0002					
[I][B]0 degrees advance[/B]	[/I]						
'003				'020			
Idle speed	Air mass in	Throt Angle	Ignit Angle	Idle Stabilization			

 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
3840	117.47	100	22.5	0	3	3	3
4160	156.03	100	9	0	3	3	3
4440	164.75	100	9.8	0	3	3	2.3
4760	183.47	100	8.3	0	3	3	2.3
5120	189.39	100	9.8	0	3	2.3	2.3
5400	203.11	100	12.8	0	3	2.3	2.3
5680	211.11	100	12	0	2.3	2.3	2.3
5920	220.78	100	12	0	2.3	2.3	1.5
6200	211.11	100	12.8	0	2.3	1.5	1.5
6400	220.14	100	17.3	0	1.5	1.5	1.5
6640	224.14	100	17.3	0	1.5	1.5	0.8
6840	225.44	100	15.8	0	1.5	0.8	0.8
7040	228.61	100	20.3	0	1.5	0.8	0.8
7200	229.97	98.4	12	0	0.8	0.8	0.8

Thursday	30	October	2008	19:36:30			
06A 906 032 HN		1.8L R4/5VT      01 0002					
[B][I]3 degrees advance[/I][/B]							
	Group A:	'003				'020	
Idle speed	Air mass in	Throt Angle	Ignit Angle	Idle Stabilization			
 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
3520	57.72	24.7	27	0	0	0	0
3600	89.61	83.5	24	0	0	0	0
3840	118.83	100	25.5	0	0	0	0
4160	152.28	100	11.3	0	0	0	0
4440	167.67	100	11.3	0	0	0	0
4720	179.53	100	12	0	0	0	0
5040	188.56	100	14.3	0	0	0	0
5320	194.78	100	12.8	0	0	0	0
5600	207.39	100	15.8	0	0	0	0
5840	214.86	100	15.8	0	0	0	0
6080	218.31	100	19.5	0	0	0	0
6280	220.06	100	20.3	0	0	0	0
6520	219.69	100	23.3	0	0	0	0
6800	222.17	100	19.5	0	0	0	0
6960	220.58	100	19.5	0	0	0	0
7160	227.25	100	27	0	0	0	0

Thursday	30	October	2008	19:44:02			
06A 906 032 HN		1.8L R4/5VT      01 0002					
[I][B]5.25 degrees advance[/B][/I]							
'003				'020			
Idle speed	Air mass in	Throt Angle	Ignit Angle	Idle Stabilization			
							
 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
3520	118.25	83.1	6	0	0	0	0
3760	126.22	100	13.5	0	0	0	0
4160	156.67	100	11.3	0	0	0	0
4480	163.39	100	10.5	0	0	0	0
4760	181.42	100	11.3	0	0	0	0
5080	188.94	100	16.5	0	0	0	0
5400	196.33	100	15	0	0	0	0
5680	213.83	100	15	0	0	0	0
5960	215.56	100	15	0	0	0	0
6200	218.31	100	21	0	0	0	0
6480	223.22	100	21.8	0	0	0	0
6720	225.03	100	24	0	0	0	0
6920	225.92	100	24.8	0	0	0	0
7160	228.61	100	21.8	0	0	0	0
7240	235.94	99.2	0.8	0	0	0	0

Thursday	30	October	2008	19:54:17			
06A 906 032 HN		1.8L R4/5VT      01 0002					
[B][I]7.5 degrees advance[/I][/B]							
'003				'020			
Idle speed	Air mass in	Throt Angle	Ignit Angle	Idle Stabilization			
							
 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
3520	40.17	25.5	33.8	0	0	0	1.5
3120	70.5	100	35.3	0	3	3	0.8
3320	83.06	100	30.8	0	3	3	0.8
3560	98.94	100	27	0	3	3	3.8
3840	121	100	15	0	3	2.3	3.8
4160	150.92	100	19.5	0	3	2.3	3.8
4520	168.53	100	10.5	0	2.3	2.3	3.8
4880	182.47	100	12	0	2.3	2.3	3.8
5200	196.72	100	13.5	0	2.3	2.3	3.8
5520	204.39	100	13.5	0	2.3	2.3	3.8
5800	211.78	100	17.3	0	2.3	2.3	3
6080	216.97	100	19.5	0	2.3	1.5	3
6400	222.86	100	20.3	0	1.5	1.5	3
6640	224.56	100	23.3	0	1.5	1.5	2.3
6840	226.81	100	24.8	0	1.5	0.8	2.3
7080	226.81	99.6	20.3	0	0.8	0.8	2.3
7200	236.89	100	3.8	0	0	0	0

I find it very difficult to compare the °BTDC figures.

 

[DPJ]

My airflow doesn't show it's characteristic dip at around 6200 with the advanced timing settings...

 

[Feel]

230 g.sec

More timing, scotty...

 

[ibizacupra]

that beats phils g/s

over to phil now..

 

[DPJ]

230 g.sec

More timing, scotty...

Scaled to 245....

She won't take much more of this Captain.......

 

[RobDon]

What induction you running?

 

[DPJ]

What induction you running?

The big 420bhp (rated) Jetex open cone on 80mm pipework all the way to the compressor.

 

[Damoegan]

She won't take much more of this Captain.......

 

[wild willy]

Good tweaking Dave and good CF's with little timing pull. Does she feel better for it.