nope you can change it at any time, when i had the tfsi DSG on the demo i really give it crap, i was changing mode's all the time and it was fine,
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You can not stop in 6th in manual as it will still change down its self even in manual when the speed is too slow for the gear it is in.
So if you are in say manual mode 4th doing 40mph and you slow down to 30 and don't change down yourself it will change down to 3rd so it is impossible to damage the gearbox by overloading it.
I have had a 2.0 tdi sport for a couple of months and I think it is great it allows you more time to look where you are going instead of worrying about the clutch and what gear you need,Very good in stop start traffic jam's and also on the open road,Only thing I would say is sometimes there is a slight delay when setting off but not much,I have had 50 mpg on a run and get 44mpg on short trip to work I will not get another manual car for the road after having this it is the future.
You can not stop in 6th in manual as it will still change down its self even in manual when the speed is too slow for the gear it is in.
So if you are in say manual mode 4th doing 40mph and you slow down to 30 and don't change down yourself it will change down to 3rd so it is impossible to damage the gearbox by overloading it.
I have had a 2.0 tdi sport for a couple of months and I think it is great it allows you more time to look where you are going instead of worrying about the clutch and what gear you need,Very good in stop start traffic jam's and also on the open road,Only thing I would say is sometimes there is a slight delay when setting off but not much,I have had 50 mpg on a run and get 44mpg on short trip to work I will not get another manual car for the road after having this it is the future.
Dunno mate. Will try it tomorrow. Must admit that to date when I have been having a play in "Manual mode" I have tended to flick it across to "auto" when approaching roundabouts and junctions. As I say I will let you know!
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As stated earlier the box changes down (and up) even in manual mode to prevent damage. It's not as intrusive as you might think, by the time it overrides to change down, most drivers would have already done so. Around town you can get away with just upshifting manually and letting the box change down at junctions and roundabouts.
Thanks guys. That is clever that it does put it into first for you, and I didn't realise that you can leave it in manual and STILL it'll do the hard work for the bits even the most ardent of manual advocates would admit are annoying 
God I can't wait!
Still interested in what someone said earlier that it's meant to learn your style of driving and if anyone's noticed this in practice.
Also, retro fitting paddles??
Cheers
Rob
God I can't wait!
Still interested in what someone said earlier that it's meant to learn your style of driving and if anyone's noticed this in practice.
Also, retro fitting paddles??
Cheers
Rob
I have a Sportronic on my alfa 166 which is a 4 speed ZF box with slush mode and sports/manual. It is essentially similar but the DSG on my Altea seems superior, although I've only done 100 miles or so. The changes are smoother and quicker. The 2.0 TDI really does benefit from this gearbox. The gearbox lever action (only very slight touch required on lever in manual mode) on my Alfa is much better and the gear lever is more like a very short throw manual, not the silly T bone shape on DSG.
People have mentioned the slight pause in pick up from stationary - I think this is due the the clutch being disengaged when brake pedal is pressed - it takes a moment for clutch to engage.
On a normal auto the torque convertor is constantly "driving" at 95-100% thru the gears when in D so no delay at start off.
Does the DSG always start off in 1st? On my Sportronic, in lazy D mode it will often start off in 2nd for a really smooth take off and low engine speed/noise. Can be a be a bit tricky for quick roundabout junctions as its a bit slow!
People have mentioned the slight pause in pick up from stationary - I think this is due the the clutch being disengaged when brake pedal is pressed - it takes a moment for clutch to engage.
On a normal auto the torque convertor is constantly "driving" at 95-100% thru the gears when in D so no delay at start off.
Does the DSG always start off in 1st? On my Sportronic, in lazy D mode it will often start off in 2nd for a really smooth take off and low engine speed/noise. Can be a be a bit tricky for quick roundabout junctions as its a bit slow!
autos depend on the stall speed set in the converter - not so much an issue on road cars but in drag racing can be quite pivotal to gaining optimum performance when running 2/3 speeds to 180mph in a 1/4 mile
dsg has one obvious advantage on gearchanging - http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1997518988051057412
dsg has one obvious advantage on gearchanging - http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1997518988051057412
Ah, I see. I didn't realise the paddles were part of the wheel, I thought it'd just be like fitting a stalk, but now that you say it, it makes sense. :-(
Oh well, nevermind, it's still going to be one hell of a sweet 'box. Whether or not I will use the manual mode much I am not sure to be honest.
Rob
Oh well, nevermind, it's still going to be one hell of a sweet 'box. Whether or not I will use the manual mode much I am not sure to be honest.
Rob
Sort of Leigh, while the clutch packs do have odds and evens, each clutch can only have one gear engaged at a time, the software determines which gear is pre-selected. If you go for a gear it's not anticipating it has to disengage the pre-selected gear and change. There's a delay, while this happens, it's not much but noticable.
If for example you were accelerating and in 3rd, 4th would be preselected, if for some reason you decided to downshift to 2nd, it would have to disengage 4th and engage 2nd.
If for example you were accelerating and in 3rd, 4th would be preselected, if for some reason you decided to downshift to 2nd, it would have to disengage 4th and engage 2nd.
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I am another to recommend the DSG box, it is just excellent.
For a laugh, why not test drive a Citroen C2 with Sensodrive. Now THAT is a slow gearbox. This and the DSG are poles apart.
Gerry
For a laugh, why not test drive a Citroen C2 with Sensodrive. Now THAT is a slow gearbox. This and the DSG are poles apart.
Gerry
I expect this is much less noticeable on the diesel as well, as you're unlikely to want to shift down to overtake or make it suddenly move the way you'd need to in a petrol engine, and if you did it would probably be able to anticipate it better due to the narrower torque band.
Rob
Spooky Gerry. I had reason over the last week to drive the Citroen C3 Auto and the only comment I can make is
I think you may tell I was NOT impressed
That said, I hate to admit, I did like the fact that the "paddle shifts" did not "go round" with the steering wheel.
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