Map updates Seat Ateca, file too big for SD Card

[Jaffabfc]

Hi All,

I am new on here so be nice

I have started a job as a delivery driver and needed my SatNav updating in the car so i did it following the instructions on the Seat website and now the file is too big (25gb when sd is 16gb).

Any ideas on how to update to the new one, i only need the UK dont need spain etc.

Or if better get google maps on it as the Seat one isnt brilliant

Thanks

 

[Tell]

Well I reckon you have the standard navigation system which uses the SD card, not SSD (Plus). Hence you have downloaded the Plus maps which won't fit on the card.

Did you back up the SD card before you deleted it ?. If not you need to know which release was on the card, 1030 so something like that. Did you take a photo of the screen ?. From knowing the release it came with you download that and re-install. Get that working then you can do the workaround which is talked about to update the maps.

If you give me the release you were on I can find the download to get it working again. All Seat / Skoda / VW cars use the same release so you just find that one from where people historically posted up the release at the time. Your card might also give a clue - this is all based on you not backing up the card before deleting the contents (sticky label).

I know that you probably downloaded the Plus update from the file size you quote. The Plus needs a 32gb of space, standard operates on 16gb card.

This is the main thread on here.

https://forums.seatcupra.net/index.php?threads/navigation-system-updates.388586/page-92

If you scan up from the bottom you'll find a few people getting into a pickle of deleting what was on the card without having a back up and not having Mapcare which isn't available in the UK. It's in that thread where I got them back to life again. There is what is called a CID on the card (token) that relates to the release. Get back to the release that it came with then the overall.nds file of the workaround is the one you need for the workaround.

 

[Jaffabfc]

Hi Thanks for the response.

I have put the old navigation on which i originally had on.

The update i believe is plus because the first 3 digits arent 5F0 or 6P0.

I will try the other one tonight see what the outcome is.

Would be better with Google maps to be honest

 

[Tell]

It's a navigation plus unit if you can also see the SSD Jukebox drive when you press the Media button. If it just shows SD1 / SD2 and not jukebox it's not a plus and it won't run the navigation with the SD card out. Plus unit aren't sold with a navigation card since they don't need it. If you have a navigation card and a wallet that it came in, it's a standard unit. The back of the wallet in small print will also saý TomTom on it since cartography is the TomTom one, Here Maps for the Plus.

Under system information if it's a Plus the series number will be four digits 0177 being the latest, everything before below. The line above will start with V.

So a few checks.

If you are happy with Google Maps it won't show you the next turn on the front screen only the infotainment unit. You get better lane assistance on the built in unit. Traffic reports better on Google. Street numbering on the standard and Google about the same. Live in the sticks, mountainous areas online mapping doesn't work well. Drive through tunnels Google gets lost in exits within or just outside tunnels as do other non integrated systems. Horses for courses. I use both but drive on the built in system.

 

[Jaffabfc]

I'll try updating it to the other one tonight see if that works.

The one i currently have is dated 2016 so i really need to update it, several thousand homes and streets been made where i live so needs an update.

 

[Tell]

I'll try updating it to the other one tonight see if that works.

The one i currently have is dated 2016 so i really need to update it, several thousand homes and streets been made where i live so needs an update.

If it's a Plus unit you can't update the maps yourself without Mapcare or having it made into a retrofit by a specialist. Mapcare isn't sold in the UK. If it's a standard unit you can use the workaround method with the overall.nds file of the working system but obviously you need the system working on the SD card that came with the car. Hence you need to determine whether it's a Plus. They were sold at a premium of about £800 extra so most people made do with the standard. The latest Seats dont have Plus units as an option in the UK, that's kept for the Cupras only. You wont find them on My19 cars.

On missing estates etc, I do submit to Google, Here Maps and TomTom plus Openstreet. They all have missing things. Google in these parts are tight with their satellite images using old ones which make it near impossible to accurately draw them on. Several developments I know about.

Here Maps use the most recent images so you can submit them. TomTom allow you to mark on a map without the satellite image so you put a blob on, give the developers web link and tell them to look at their most recent satellite images.

All local authorities have detailed low level OS maps that are used for survey purposes, they are the gold standard of what is on the ground after the development.They also carry rough street numbers. They are commercial but some LAs have them available on their sites, it's those that you wack the car routing people with that's if they provide the screens to do that with.

Openstreet was good but the free local detailed OS cartography was discontinued so crowd sourcing on that has stopped since they have old satellite images and can't crib detailed OS local level data that was free. They don't have the money to put the commercial maps up to be used for crowd sourcing via tracing.

Lastly all the commercial routing providers have the survey cars going around. Online providers may be more up-to-date but isn't the case if they use sat images to verify submissions but can't do, so reject them, that being Google. That's where Google's validation process fails. Ive submitted roundabout but they wont put them on if they cant validate them. Google is a bit of a joke in this respect.

Take a picture of the information screen and I'll know exactly what it is.

 

[Tell]

It's slightly annoying Seat use such old satnav compared to all other VWG cars.
V7 on the Ateca whereas VWG are up to V11 already.

Except you can load the VW / Skoda ones, they are all identical, just that Seat are slow at putting updates up on their site and since Mapcare isnt supported in the UK you arent suppose to be able to load them in yourself, but you can with the workaround for the standard unit bringing the unit inline with the current release across the VAG group. Think in reality the cars are shifted with old SD cards in some instances and the refusal to offer Mapcare in the UK means a lot of Seat owners drive with old maps if they dont know about the mib2 standard workaround. After that you just do the June / November updates if you want to keep up-to-date. You can be extra nice by engaging in crowd sourcing road changes that you know about via the Tom Tom website for the standard unit, Here Maps for the Plus / High.

Mib2 High / Plus owners without Mapcare are stuffed for DIY updates unless they go down the route of getting the unit modded to retrofit since post sale of Mapcare isn't offered in the UK (it is in Europe). Standard navigation solution is easy if you are capable of doing the standard Mapcare upgrade with just a minor twist, the high solution means seeking out a capable retrofit outfit to do it, only one in the UK operating out of Croydon, plus the cost and time involved and then using the backend menu of the unit for future updates. Easy enough thou once converted to a retrofit. Again the normal download but the wrinkle in this is you use the developers backend menu for the map update once it's converted to a retrofit (it must be a retrofit to do this you can't do this by enabling the developers menu in VCDS type of tools, you'll get locked out of navigation until you restore the original maps release the car came with, been there, done that). How all mib2 high retrofits have their maps user updated.

A situation that will run on even if Mapcare was introduced in the UK unless they recall all old mib2 units in. Previously units were recalled in the States and Australia on VWs, although in the States VW have withdrawn update map support - think that was when TomTom took over the cartography. Australia cars were shipped from Germany without Mapcare in error and the owners could then take them in to update to Mapcare. Once the car is on the road the Mapcare option on the high unit costs circa 600 Euros in Europe or 125 if bought at delivery. Alternative to all of this, you can cough up for each upgrade but without Mapcare it requires workshop time to register the map into the infotainment unit. All VW and Skoda cars come with free Mapcare in the UK for life, it was three years but that's been expanded, Seat is the odd one out.

 

[Tell]

Yep, my Ateca thought part of the M6 was a field!
I use Waze a lot tbh.

Irritating when that happens, that's why I take part in crowd sourcing. Different providers have different issues. Why I got my high unit modded since it didnt have a major new local road on it, whilst the old one was sealed off. Had to do journeys using waypoints across a couple of miles of field. It was in it after I updated it after the mod. A fellow board poster kindly checked for me before I got the unit modded who had theirs done. Money well spent. Future Cupra owners with the Plus unit won't be happy bunnies when they find out they are stuffed for map updates. Isn't so bad for the standard units.