Syphon said:I'd just like to publically thank Mork and Z for the sterling job they did today bringing the news and pics to us as it happened.
It really was excellent work indeed.
Thanks both.
Scott
Yep, I'll second that, I think you did a terrific job, and I was glued to my computer for hours.
Thanks a lot for the excellent coverage.
Vic
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Z told me about the bandwidth we've shifted so far - there's one almighty spike at about 2pm today when nobody did any work
Nice job with all the photos and information... 
Looking forward to see it IRL (and the FR too... when it arrives to Denmark! - We are a little late... as usual!)
Must admit though... that up till now, I personally think the standard Leon is the nicest of them all... it seems like it is the one with the best "flow" in the design... and then it is a real sleeper, cause the FR/Cupra looks as fast as they are... but the standard Leon (I got a lowered TFSI with wide 18") is faster than it looks!
- I really do like understatement... and understatement, that is what you get when you do like Dan GB... tweak the engine... but keep the looks of the standard version!
But still... I haven´t seen one in the flesh... so maybe I will change my mind when that happens!
BTW... it’s always funny to read about how you guys in GB discuss the prices of the cars! In Denmark we have to pay nearly twice as much as you... meaning that the Cupra will be around 38.000£ if it end up at 20.000£ in GB... (and of cause we have to pay an extra 1.000 - 2.000£ for some equipment that are standard in GB...)
And for the record... We do NOT earn nearly twice as much as you!
Looking forward to see it IRL (and the FR too... when it arrives to Denmark! - We are a little late... as usual!) Must admit though... that up till now, I personally think the standard Leon is the nicest of them all... it seems like it is the one with the best "flow" in the design... and then it is a real sleeper, cause the FR/Cupra looks as fast as they are... but the standard Leon (I got a lowered TFSI with wide 18") is faster than it looks!
- I really do like understatement... and understatement, that is what you get when you do like Dan GB... tweak the engine... but keep the looks of the standard version! But still... I haven´t seen one in the flesh... so maybe I will change my mind when that happens!
BTW... it’s always funny to read about how you guys in GB discuss the prices of the cars! In Denmark we have to pay nearly twice as much as you... meaning that the Cupra will be around 38.000£ if it end up at 20.000£ in GB... (and of cause we have to pay an extra 1.000 - 2.000£ for some equipment that are standard in GB...)
And for the record... We do NOT earn nearly twice as much as you!
What taxes do you pay, road tax, fuel tax, insurance, tax on a tax they call VAT , its where they get us, the running costs.
, its where they get us, the running costs.
yeh but we have crap p0rnSkinfakse said:Nice job with all the photos and information...
Must admit though... that up till now, I personally think the standard Leon is the nicest of them all... it seems like it is the one with the best "flow" in the design... and then it is a real sleeper, cause the FR/Cupra looks as fast as they are... but the standard Leon (I got a lowered TFSI with wide 18") is faster than it looks!
But still... I haven´t seen one in the flesh... so maybe I will change my mind when that happens!
BTW... it’s always funny to read about how you guys in GB discuss the prices of the cars! In Denmark we have to pay nearly twice as much as you... meaning that the Cupra will be around 38.000£ if it end up at 20.000£ in GB... (and of cause we have to pay an extra 1.000 - 2.000£ for some equipment that are standard in GB...)
And for the record... We do NOT earn nearly twice as much as you!
... We do not pay road tax... yet!!! - You can throw all those things after me... but Denmark is one of the most expensive countries in the world to be a car-owner in! - Actually I think Singapore is one of the only places that beat us... In Denmark we have to pay 180% more than the car cost when it leaves the factory...
Insurance really depend on the individual... but it’s not cheap! - I only pay (for my TFSI) a little more than 1.100£ a year cause I’m insured in a "special" insurance company! - When I reach (hopefully) "Elite" in about 4 years, it will be less than half!
Under normal circumstances I would have to pay about 2.000£ a year for a TFSI (I have only got a car for 2½ years)! BTW... I´m 31!
Fuel... at the moment it cost a little less than 1£ pr. litre!
Of cause... then I have to pay about 700£ a year in different "green-taxes" for a TFSI!
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Cupra_HKG
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Greeting from HKG
Hi, everyone this is KC from Hong Kong. This site really gives the lastest information on the Leon Cupra, a job well done to the boys here!!
The new Leon Cupra is a very nice package indeed. I think more interesting than VW MK5 GTI and R32 or Audi A3 3.2 here on the streets right now! Unfortunately, we do not have Seat in Hong Kong but I would prepare to import one for myself.
I have a few questions, which they may have been answered but appreciated you guys don't mind answer them for me again.
1. When will it be available for sale in UK?
2. Would DSG available for this car?
3. Any other country would receive RHD version other than UK?
4. Any dealer would prepare to do export for a Cupra?
Regards
KC, HKG
Hi, everyone this is KC from Hong Kong. This site really gives the lastest information on the Leon Cupra, a job well done to the boys here!!
The new Leon Cupra is a very nice package indeed. I think more interesting than VW MK5 GTI and R32 or Audi A3 3.2 here on the streets right now! Unfortunately, we do not have Seat in Hong Kong but I would prepare to import one for myself.
I have a few questions, which they may have been answered but appreciated you guys don't mind answer them for me again.
1. When will it be available for sale in UK?
2. Would DSG available for this car?
3. Any other country would receive RHD version other than UK?
4. Any dealer would prepare to do export for a Cupra?
Regards
KC, HKG
dangel said:Hey, if I could design cars for a living i'd have the money to buy something better anyway
ha, there arent many people making good money in car design. Most like myself have escaped over the years too...mind you I'm back full circle designing cars, just not always real ones
Putting my designer hat on, I have to agree that there isnt much difference between the FR and the Cupra. Problem is wide-boy looks rarely are a big seller.... However, the old LCR was the exception. To be honest, the old LCR was quite subtle really with well resolved form, but I think the key here is the lack of difference between the FR and the Cupra.
The reason for that is Budget. Tooling cost, part production and storage all mount up, so SEAT have wisely minimised all the different bumpers. It might not suite the die-hard fan, but it should work for Joe Public
...biggest problem though, is to my eyes, the Leon still looks like a MPV and no MPV looks very sporty really
andyb said:ha, there arent many people making good money in car design. Most like myself have escaped over the years too...mind you I'm back full circle designing cars, just not always real ones
Putting my designer hat on, I have to agree that there isnt much difference between the FR and the Cupra. Problem is wide-boy looks rarely are a big seller.... However, the old LCR was the exception. To be honest, the old LCR was quite subtle really with well resolved form, but I think the key here is the lack of difference between the FR and the Cupra.
The reason for that is Budget. Tooling cost, part production and storage all mount up, so SEAT have wisely minimised all the different bumpers. It might not suite the die-hard fan, but it should work for Joe Public
...biggest problem though, is to my eyes, the Leon still looks like a MPV and no MPV looks very sporty really
There's that MPV thing again - and I know exactly what you mean there. I think also within the industry atm there seems to be a push to get a 'corporate look' into all their cars - e.g. when i saw the new Polo GTI it looked like a shrunken Golf GTI. New fiesta and focus? Perhaps i'm not putting it well but SEAT have taken this further with the altea, toledo and leon. This is not good IMHO. On top of that, as you say, we've got a flagship model leon in the Cupra looking far too similar to the FR. SEAT aren't a 'budget' VAG brand anymore so I think they need to produce slighty more interesting looking cars.
Still, like every other SEAT fan I'm looking forward to seeing and driving the Cupra IRL so we'll see whether the dynamics make up for it.
I just don't agree, with the MPV moniker, im not sure if you've actually stood by the new car yet, Andy, being out in Canada, not sure if you've seen one close up yet, when you've been back over here on one of your short trips.
But it really doesn't appear like an MPV when you stand looking at it, or sit in it, or drive it. You can't judge this from photographs, its a different car when you walk round it and visualise it properly.
The mistake SEAT made, and i've heard this direct from the horses mouth at SEAT and from some of their dealers alike, is that by admission they released the Altea first, and that was probably the wrong decision, and it has since muddied the water in terms of identity for the Leon, if the Leon had come before the Altea, im not so sure the same conclusions would of been met.
As far as im concerned any car im stooping down to get into is not an MPV
If you break the cars down into simple shapes, the old Civic looked like a van rather than mpv, it was a wedge with a box welded on the back, and the new one seems to be all about triangles.
The new Golf, is a small boxy front, attached to a big wide box, the Focus used to be a fairly unique angular yet curvey shape, but seems to have adopted a plain looking old Leon shape, except with a few more angles.
The new Leon is a fairly unique looking car, remninds me in some ways of the old focus, yet more rounded and coupesque, and everytime i see one on the road, it does make me glance andadmire it, and thats just seeing the standard cars, they stand out on the road as something different, something very new and modern, and a bit more exclusive than your average hatchback.
The Altea is a car fit for purpose as a mini mpv, its much taller than the Leon, and is a far prettier car than its segment competition, the less said about the Toledo the better though really, and going by sales, i think that car is coming to an unceremonious end before too long, with talk of estate sized Altea's etc.
But it really doesn't appear like an MPV when you stand looking at it, or sit in it, or drive it. You can't judge this from photographs, its a different car when you walk round it and visualise it properly.
The mistake SEAT made, and i've heard this direct from the horses mouth at SEAT and from some of their dealers alike, is that by admission they released the Altea first, and that was probably the wrong decision, and it has since muddied the water in terms of identity for the Leon, if the Leon had come before the Altea, im not so sure the same conclusions would of been met.
As far as im concerned any car im stooping down to get into is not an MPV
If you break the cars down into simple shapes, the old Civic looked like a van rather than mpv, it was a wedge with a box welded on the back, and the new one seems to be all about triangles.
The new Golf, is a small boxy front, attached to a big wide box, the Focus used to be a fairly unique angular yet curvey shape, but seems to have adopted a plain looking old Leon shape, except with a few more angles.
The new Leon is a fairly unique looking car, remninds me in some ways of the old focus, yet more rounded and coupesque, and everytime i see one on the road, it does make me glance andadmire it, and thats just seeing the standard cars, they stand out on the road as something different, something very new and modern, and a bit more exclusive than your average hatchback.
The Altea is a car fit for purpose as a mini mpv, its much taller than the Leon, and is a far prettier car than its segment competition, the less said about the Toledo the better though really, and going by sales, i think that car is coming to an unceremonious end before too long, with talk of estate sized Altea's etc.
I think ID Photo: 15725 on this link shows that perfectly. I don't think Plato and Thompson are 8 feet tall!ZBOYD said:
http://media.seat.com/en/view_manager.html?root=1236,1320
I agree with the above. As has been said many times, the majority of photos just don't do the car justice. Standard trim models are real head turners. They just look sooooo much better in the flesh. 
Scott
Scott
Another mention on 4Car. £20,000 again (although excellent value at that price!) and on sale February 2007. Brembos standard.
http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/news-story.jsp?news_id=14890
http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/news-story.jsp?news_id=14890
Cupra_HKG said:
HI KC
Welcome to SEATCupra.net!
I'll try and answer your questions, based on as much info as we know currently.
1. Expected to be on sale and at UK dealers in the New Year, January/February 2007.
2. Its not been confirmed as being available yet, though the Leon FR TFSi will be getting DSG in the latter part of this year, November/December 2006, as an optional, this is confirmed information. Which ties it up around the same factory build times as the New Leon Cupra, so as it stands currently, there is a very good possibility, that the Leon Cupra will also have this option from the launch in 2007.
3. South Africa, have recently been added to SEAT's distribution/market countries, and i believe they drive on the left, as a former British colony, so use right hand drive cars.
4. A question I don't really know the answer to, im afraid, some dealer in Europe have done imports to the UK for UK customers, but its a bit easier to skip over the English channel for us to collect them.
Ol' Timer said:Another mention on 4Car. £20,000 again (although excellent value at that price!) and on sale February 2007. Brembos standard.
http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/news-story.jsp?news_id=14890
Talking to the Brand Manager for 'New Leon' yesterday - no pricing has been confirmed - clearly they know the target price.
With Brembo's, it's a step up from the Focus ST (whichever flavour you look at), it's 40bhp clear of the golf. it's better specced than the Astra
I'll still stick with my guess of 19k with flat paint, and 20k with dsg & mettalic.
Brembo's will be on the car, as it makes a noticeable difference to the model befitting it's accelerative performance.
They're not out there to please everyone, just woo people - and to be honest, even at £19k, it's bhp/£ is very nearly the same as the old LCR, and I'll bet is very well priced at the rest of the market.
Having had a day or two to reflect on the new Leon Cupra I suppose its a nice enough car, but these are some of the things that put me off:
1) Black bit in the middle of the rear bumper
2) Dashboard that doesn't seem to accept std head unit
3) Lack of a differentiating bumper or subtle aero kit
4) Not that sold on the wheels to be honest, OK but time may ease me to them
Why no boost, oil pressure or oil temperature gauges? If its for driving enthusiast why don't these sort of features get included (like they did in early Audi's and Golfs)?
When car modification is as rife as it is today, Fords ST 1/2/3 variants allowed the user to upspec to higher models. Even Saab offer 3 stages of Hersche packs on their cars now. I really feel SEAT are missing a trick on this as its the bolt ons that generate good profit margins and allow the user to retain full warranty entitlements.
At 240bhp, although the new cars are much sharper handling than the old Mk1 (which is in essence a 10yr old platform), why they persist with 2wd surprises me. I know 4wd has transmission loss, but its been proven for some time now that the Type R Civic with its 200bhp can actually transmit the power to the tarmac far more efficiently round a test track than the Leon. I was hoping for a UK Cupra 4 model (didn't care whether it was 4 or 6 cylinder) seeing that we have one of the highest sales volumes of sporting SEAT's.
Maybe I'm missing the point completely, but 3 years ago the sales force at SEAT were convinced that they were going to be at the cutting edge of the high performance sports hatches. I appreciate there are constraints that need to be adhered to so that VW's precious Golf GTi sales aren't cannibalised, and cars do need to be made to a budget constraint, but when did we last see a car that had been made with constraints that truly got our pulses racing and our blood boiling?
I'm still going to the motorshow to see it, purely so I can decide whether to keep it on the shopping list for 2007/8. Money lost on the Mk1 R is immaterial, as long as you enjoy it while you've got it then its money well spent.
1) Black bit in the middle of the rear bumper
2) Dashboard that doesn't seem to accept std head unit
3) Lack of a differentiating bumper or subtle aero kit
4) Not that sold on the wheels to be honest, OK but time may ease me to them
Why no boost, oil pressure or oil temperature gauges? If its for driving enthusiast why don't these sort of features get included (like they did in early Audi's and Golfs)?
When car modification is as rife as it is today, Fords ST 1/2/3 variants allowed the user to upspec to higher models. Even Saab offer 3 stages of Hersche packs on their cars now. I really feel SEAT are missing a trick on this as its the bolt ons that generate good profit margins and allow the user to retain full warranty entitlements.
At 240bhp, although the new cars are much sharper handling than the old Mk1 (which is in essence a 10yr old platform), why they persist with 2wd surprises me. I know 4wd has transmission loss, but its been proven for some time now that the Type R Civic with its 200bhp can actually transmit the power to the tarmac far more efficiently round a test track than the Leon. I was hoping for a UK Cupra 4 model (didn't care whether it was 4 or 6 cylinder) seeing that we have one of the highest sales volumes of sporting SEAT's.
Maybe I'm missing the point completely, but 3 years ago the sales force at SEAT were convinced that they were going to be at the cutting edge of the high performance sports hatches. I appreciate there are constraints that need to be adhered to so that VW's precious Golf GTi sales aren't cannibalised, and cars do need to be made to a budget constraint, but when did we last see a car that had been made with constraints that truly got our pulses racing and our blood boiling?
I'm still going to the motorshow to see it, purely so I can decide whether to keep it on the shopping list for 2007/8. Money lost on the Mk1 R is immaterial, as long as you enjoy it while you've got it then its money well spent.
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