Our EA288 2.0tdi 184PS Development thread..

[Deleted member 11430]

if youre driving a 150 or 184PS 2.0TDI Leon then this thread should be of interest to you..

In November 2013 we headed down to Shark Performance to use their dyno, and also look at combining our knowledge to see what we could achieve..

This is an ongoing project which ill update regularly..

I posted this on another forum earlier today

talk is always good..


We've been involved with dual channel systems for VAG/BMW/MERC/Vauxhall for nearly 3 years now, intact we've been tuning the 2.0 140/170 with a dual channel system since 2009 and have dyno graphs from that engine showing a nice smooth curve and 220bhp and 443nm

the latest range of EA288 TDI engines in my eyes are a revelation, so much so i actually love driving our vRS

Getting onto the nitty gritty, we all know that tuned figures are like the lottery. Some of the claims being made are in my eyes unachievable, ok ill rephrase that and say that a high spike of bhp to hit the numbers is achievable but at the sacrifice of drivability.

As maisbitt has mentioned, he has loads of power but by the sounds of it his car is bordering on being undriveable as he is losing traction.

We've been working on software this last couple of weeks (without the dyn0) and we can give our customers an undriveable peaky map that within the dyno lottery would probably give 235bhp.. Yeah I've got 235bhp but i can't drive the car.

A true tuner wants to give their customers a tuned car that they can actually use, and this is why we differ from the competition and why we've invested over £25,000 in our own Octavia. This latest 2.0 184PS is going to be very popular, and we want to be the tuner of choice for VAG owners.

Im sure many of you have heard of Shark Performance, and i know that within the Skoda community they have a very good reputation, intact we used a shark performance STS on our own S3 and would be the inly people i would use for a remap.

So moving onto the 2.0 184PS

We did plan on going to our usual dyno based at Motoscope in Northallerton as this is the dyno we've used for the last 8/9 years and their figures are consistent.

2009 our 2.0TDI Seat Leon produced 210bhp and 443nm
2013 our TT TDI produced 220bhp and 443nm of torque

In those 4 years we have tweaked and developed the software which is what we will do with the latest 2.0TDI'S.

As this new engine is going to be shot topic we decided to goto a different dyno, and chose Shark's in Mansfield, factor in that they also have their own Octavia vRS and are interested in seeing exactly what we can offer them for their customers who don't want their edu opened up..

I will be posting a full write up on this forum and many others later this week, to summarise the results from saturday..


In standard form the vRS produced

141bhp at the wheel - 179.2 at the flywheel and 378nm of torque at 3003rpm

we dynode several files that we had written using the bum dyno, and the figures ranged from 210bhp unto 226bhp, but th torque on all of these files was sitting between 475 and 490nm.

After a day working with Ben on the dyno we created a smooth drivable file that produced

183bhp at the wheel - 221bhp at the flywheel and 489nm at 2150rpm


anybody that's anybody will agree that those figures are worthless as we could take the same car to 6 other dynos and the figures would vary for me the important thing i always look at are the % increases at the wheel as this takes away all of the correction bull.

So if you look at the 141 to 183bhp figures you'll see that they have increased by 29.7%

So if we were to add 29.7% to 184ps quoted by VAG then the expected figure we could quote on our website would be 239PS


so there we go, the unachievable figure i mentioned above is actually achievable but in reality on sharks dyno we only produced 221bhp..

I hope you guys are following where I'm going with this?


Either way we do intend to take our car to our usual dyno, and run the same files that we did on saturday and i guarantee the figures will be different.


So if youre looking for a company that is passionate about tuning cars, and are in it for the long term then you know who to talk too..

oh yeah, the dyno sheet..

and a video..

DTUK VRS 2.0 TDI 184 PS - YouTube

Some of the feedback we've had from various VW/SEAT/Skoda owners running our CRD-T kit,

DeanC's thread.

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=392680


A similar thread thats worth a read on Briskoda.net

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/294284-weve-started-having-tinker-with-the-20tdi-184ps/

Testimonials » 2013 Seat Leon FR 184 PS + DTUK CRD-T Review

From Marc - 13th Dec 13

I bought a Black Edition Stage 2 tuning box for my Seat Leon SC FR TDi 184PS from Andrew. I can only describe it as a revelation. Before the car was quick but not what I would call exhilarating. After fitting the box power and response is massively increased. The car surges forward at a rate that startles passengers. I would probably say the car would see off a MK7 Golf GTI. It's now a genuine hot hatch! I haven't driven the car sensibly enough yet to see if the economy is improved but no doubt it will be as it did on the previous car I had.

I highly recommend DTUK to anyone considering any one of their products they never seem to disappoint. I also got some excellent advice on the settings to use on the tuning box which I will be experimenting with on the weekend.

Regards

Marc

Testimonials » 2013 Skoda Octavia 2.0 TDI 184PS + DTUK CRDT Customer Review

From SteveWCombivRS - Briskoda.net - 5th Jan 14

Well after much deliberation, I bought and fitted one of these... and it has to be said that it was worth every single penny. It is the best tuning investment for the money I have ever bought. I don't want to get into the continuing debate as to whether you should fit one of these or not to a brand new car, but I am more than happy to give constructive feedback to those who are interested...

Firstly, the support from Andrew giving me answers to the many questions I asked was exceptional, and I can say that the information given was objective and not purely a sales pitch. I actually ordered the wrong box by mistake and Andrew personally contacted me to make me aware, he also personally ensured I received exactly what I wanted and the item was received the very next day. The cynics may say that of course he would do this to sell me his product, but this simply wasn't the case. He was genuinely being helpful.

Secondly, the unit and the harness assembly was extremely easy to fit, it took me around 20 minutes, but that was with me dressing the loom in so that it was not obvious to any stray eye. Also the quality of the connectors is first rate and connected perfectly to the existing plug/sockets. The unit itself looks OEM if installed in the right place. I ordered the black unit with black seal and then removed the DTUK sticker to make it low key. I have removed and re-installed the unit now on about 6 different occasions with no warning lights appearing. You just have to remember to wait 5 minutes for the cars electrics to power down.

Thirdly, and most importantly, the difference in performance was INSTANTLY noticeable! Power delivery was excellent across all gears and feels 'natural'. In fact it holds the power through the gears more like a petrol engine... I ran The default setting of the software for a week and then experimented with other settings, I have had the unit fitted for 4 weeks now with no problems at all. I have taken friends out in the car and they think it is excellent, I have also upset more than one Audi A4 SLine and BMW 3 series driver!

As I mentioned, people have negative opinions about this subject, and I am not affiliated with Andrew or DTUK in anyway, but I thought I would share my positive opinions with people who may be interested in this option for their cars, especially as I can report first hand.. So I really can recommend this to anybody who is interested, it has been money well spent

Testimonials » MK7 VW Golf GTD 184 + DTUK CRDT Customer Review

From John B - 5th Jan 14

Just received this feedback from a mk7 gtd owner...


Hi Andrew

Some feedback on the stage 2 unit that I installed just before Christmas with originally 2k on the clock. Set it to map4 plus1 as per your recommendation and it's transformed a great engine to a fantastic one. I have done an additional 1.5k miles since install and it's blown a load of friends minds away on its smooth power delivery and effortless overtaking ability.

In sport mode when you want to exploit the performance it puts a huge smile on your face, however when you are after fuel savings in Eco mode on motorway journeys I've seen the other side of 60mpg which again puts a smile on your face.

This is the third DTUK unit I have purchased and its the best yet. I know you constantly working on improving the software but not sure you will be able to do it with this one, but I will be keeping and eye on the website.

Happy for you to use this as a testimonial, but change my name if you want to use it.

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If anyone has any questions please fire away, and remember were offering SeatCupra members an £80 discount off the full RRP on all DTUK systems

Fitting instructions for the 2.0 150 and 184PS can be downloaded from this link : https://db.tt/4mls56RH


http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-seat_leon-(2013-)_Any

 

[madduffyx]

Hi Andy, great bit of reading there.

I'd given you a phone just before Christmas about my Leon 184 as I'm only based in Darlington. Unfortunately I didn't managed to pop up over the holidays. However, motoscope in Northallerton is literally across the road from where I work so if you were to use the dyno there I'd be interested in coming for a chat and watching. Cheers!

 

[Deleted member 11430]

Hi Andy, great bit of reading there.

I'd given you a phone just before Christmas about my Leon 184 as I'm only based in Darlington. Unfortunately I didn't managed to pop up over the holidays. However, motoscope in Northallerton is literally across the road from where I work so if you were to use the dyno there I'd be interested in coming for a chat and watching. Cheers!

glad you found it interesting, i really do think this engine is an absolute peach.

We'll be speaking to Richard this next week and may try and organise to take a few days down as we have our Amarok to dyno, as well as the mini countryman.

 

[DeanC]

Andrew are the tuning adjustments linear?

4+0 I don't notice much of a difference over stock

4+1 is a huge difference over 4+0

4+2 not much over 4+1 if any.

 

[Deleted member 11430]

Andrew are the tuning adjustments linear?

4+0 I don't notice much of a difference over stock

4+1 is a huge difference over 4+0

4+2 not much over 4+1 if any.

you will of received some graphs with the kit? the red curve represents the additional fuelling, and the yellow the boost.

So the maps on zero are adding the values shown in the graph. When you goto plus 1 youre actually adding an extra 0.075v to the values. In layman's terms youre lifting the height of the curves.

 

[DeanC]

So does + 2 add 0.150v, i.e. linear?

And your best runs at shark were on 4 + 1 right?

 

[Deleted member 11430]

So does + 2 add 0.150v, i.e. linear?

And your best runs at shark were on 4 + 1 right?

yeah, all of the runs were on +1.

plus 2 should add 2 x 0.075v, so 0.150v

 

[Ckpearce91]

Do you do this kit for the 1.6 tdi? Also does this affect my warranty?

 

[Deleted member 11430]

Do you do this kit for the 1.6 tdi? Also does this affect my warranty?

yes, the CRD-T is also available for the 1.6TDI.

http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-seat_leon-(2013-)_1.6-tdi-105-ps-stage-2-(crd-t)

Fitting instructions can be downloaded here: https://db.tt/SeikPjVv

The figures on our site are expected figures as we've not had a 1.6 on the dyno yet.

We have recently received this feedback from a customer in Denmark.

Testimonials » 2013 AUDI A3 1.6 TDI Plus DTUK CRDT Review

From Frank - 29th Dec 13

Hello andrew,

First of all a happy newyear to you. I have now had the Crd-t installed in my little audi a3 1,6 tdi for about 3 weeks (4000 km) and besides a little turbo lag at times it works as a charm it makes my little A3 a lot more like a go cart and i have actually experienced that with the s-tronic shift i am a bit faster than the 2,0 audi with the 6 speed tranny ( i am extremely pleased with that, my collegue is definately not the pricedifference in denmark is about 5k � ) well enough of me being very glad for buying your product. I have a question regarding the different settings could you explain the difference in the 4 programs i layman terms i dont really see the difference in the graphs that came with the unit. I will off course be writing a review in a couple of weeks and also i will recommend both you and the Crd-t to all my petrolhead friends which also like me is under pressure from the danish tax company. I am looking forward to hearing from you.

Best regards

Frank

 

[GrahamFR]

Do you do this kit for the 1.6 tdi? Also does this affect my warranty?

It will effect your warranty, thats why you take it off before you go for warranty work...

 

[Deleted member 11430]

It will effect your warranty, thats why you take it off before you go for warranty work...

Cheers Graham, i forgot to add that to my reply

 

[Ckpearce91]

So Seat would never know it's been on?


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[Deleted member 11430]

So Seat would never know it's been on?


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No, as long as the kit is removed before hand then you won't have any issues with warranty.

 

[Ckpearce91]

Sweet


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[Fraczish]

I notice in your signature that you tune petrols as well? Do you have any boxes for the 1.4TSI?

 

[DeanC]

So Seat would never know it's been on?


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Look at my thread and you will see there are no fault codes or funny values stored.

 

[Deleted member 11430]

I notice in your signature that you tune petrols as well? Do you have any boxes for the 1.4TSI?

Yes we can tune the 1.4 TSIs too

http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-seat_leon-(2013-)_Any

The petrol kit from a 1.4 could be transferred to the forthcoming 2.0 CUPRA with a new wiring harness, and a software reflash

 

[snowfree52]

yeah, all of the runs were on +1.

plus 2 should add 2 x 0.075v, so 0.150v

how much HP do you recon between the +1 and +2 ? maybe 2-3 max ?

 

[Deleted member 11430]

I notice in your signature that you tune petrols as well? Do you have any boxes for the 1.4TSI?

Fitting instructions for the 1.4 can be downloaded here : https://db.tt/qKh6zx2M

 

[madduffyx]

Hi Andrew, with the £80 discount, how much would the tuning box that Dean is running cost? Also, could you do any 0% finance on that? (That way the misses would never know)