PD170 What mods next? Many Pictures!

kilner

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Got a link handy for the bsh intake?
Thanks mate =]

they only make them for the petrol tfsi but i would buy one and make it fit :)

you mayb beter off with the neuspeed less messing and the same effect same noise aswell
 

Willz17

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Jun 27, 2012
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Think I have decided to go for a custom job by the people who did my exhaust system.
£150 sounds like a good price and since the induction kits don't vary a lot due to the car being diesel might aswell go for the cheaper option? Also the custom job will be open cone filter so it will sound very similar to the neuspeed! What you think?

Might book it in for 2 weeks time! =]
 
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Willz17

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Jun 27, 2012
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Finally got S.hark map, running a little bit smokier than usual as its more power =]

However a day after the remap, i got a engine management light =/
So i got the VCDs on it and the error code was:

012593 - EGR System
P3131 - 006 - Regulation Range not Reached - Intermittent

Anyone have any ideas?
The car still runs perfectly well, with no more judder either =]
Just a little bit annoying that the engine management light is on =[
Let me know
 

kilner

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Finally got S.hark map, running a little bit smokier than usual as its more power =]

However a day after the remap, i got a engine management light =/
So i got the VCDs on it and the error code was:

012593 - EGR System
P3131 - 006 - Regulation Range not Reached - Intermittent

Anyone have any ideas?
The car still runs perfectly well, with no more judder either =]
Just a little bit annoying that the engine management light is on =[
Let me know


its the map it has failed to remove the egr so the egr delete is throwing up a code

***** need to fix ther remap

and you should not hav to pay a penny for any of ther soloutions as its should of been done properly when they did the car

contact them again and complain
 

Willz17

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Jun 27, 2012
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its the map it has failed to remove the egr so the egr delete is throwing up a code

***** need to fix ther remap

and you should not hav to pay a penny for any of ther soloutions as its should of been done properly when they did the car

contact them again and complain

I hope its the egr not being mapped out correctly, as Ben told me i could possibly be the anti stutter valve, New one costing £200+ =[.

So hoping that its the EGR not mapped out, and also hoping they would send out a sts box maybe for free with the map and egr software on it? Otherwise either me or them would have to travel 3.5 hours drive to fix this =/

Id much prefer a sts box tbh ^^
Thanks for advice kilner =]
 

AndrewJB

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i agree with Jamie

The EGR delete hasn't been mapped out correctly... there's 2 way's of mapping out a EGR Delete they got mine wrong first time aswell
 

Willz17

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Jun 27, 2012
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i agree with Jamie

The EGR delete hasn't been mapped out correctly... there's 2 way's of mapping out a EGR Delete they got mine wrong first time aswell

Thanks for the comment mate =]
This makes me feel alot better, as its making me think its the map and not the anti stutter valve which would cost over £200 lol.
 

kilner

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mine was done corect the first time but ther is sevral storys of them failing to remove the egr

your main problem is mikko is on holiday for 5 week and ben has no qlue with the pd170


so you are goin to have to wate untill he is back at work


it wont hurt the car to hav the light on tho think andrew had the light on for a month or so with no problems


dont let them tell you its anything difrent and dont spend any more money for anything you payed for a map with dpf delete and egr delete


and the egr delete has failed so in a sense you have not got the full product you have payed for the first time


the cost to rectifie this problem should now be down to the company to fix it free of charge

if they try to charge you or sell you an sts just say that is not good enough

im not with 5ark any more as it was taking for ages to get my map done

now happy wit hanother tunner making 25bhp more thru all the rev range and an extra 50ft of torq now at 400ft torq and 263bhp :)

btw the ***** map is no slouch at the top end its just down a little in the low and mid range

spinning my wheels at 60mph in 3rd is fun now :)
 

AndrewJB

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Yes

Stage 0 = a little extra maybe 5bhp

Stage 1= not sure

Stage 2 = 210-215

Stage 2+ = 220-230 (mine made 228l

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jimbo_h

just all torque
Jun 16, 2008
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now happy wit hanother tunner making 25bhp more thru all the rev range and an extra 50ft of torq now at 400ft torq and 263bhp :)

btw the ***** map is no slouch at the top end its just down a little in the low and mid range

spinning my wheels at 60mph in 3rd is fun now :)

Oooooo, please share the details of your new map with us all:drool: it sounds rather nice...lots more low down easy torque and that bhp figure!!! you got a bigger turbo on it?? haha
 

AndrewJB

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Jim yeh hes got a Hybrid, Hes also running RS Tuning Mapping

Ive seen the Graphs and there are very tasty, Jamie said the difference is very noticeable
 

kilner

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ok here is my new mapping

my 5ark map made more bhp at the top end BUT it was lacking power on the botom end and midrange

if you look you can see i am making around 25bhp more thru the range apart from the peak at the top end

resson for loss of power at the top is we hav reduced fueling by about 15% over the 5ark map and also reduced the amount of duration

5ark map was making my EGTS very hot 1000c in 3rd gear massive overfueling and causing the excess fuel to burn in the exhaust manifold

i dont think 5ark are talking to me any more as i have changed tuner and then i got removed on facebook ??? LOL

im just not a patiant person and im not wating months and months for a company to decide they can do my car how i want it doin

i could also gain teh power back at the top if we incresed fuel and duration a tad more also ther is more to come as im aiming for 2bar of boost atm it is around 1.9bar ..

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in these test you can see the ***** map made more bhp but would it be the faster car on the road ? less power and torq thru the midrange

YOU DECIDE

also the ***** run was made in the morning after a slow drive to rstuning after a full day on the dyno around 20 runs we then got the rstuning results

and to say its only 3bhp down over the ***** map and was probably heat soked to hell i think it has done prity well

i also think ther is a tad more to be gained from the ecu adaption not much but i think this new map will be on par with the 5arks map's MAX BHP

im happy rstuning is happy- 5ark probably not that happy as they dont hav a hybrided pd170 to test on anymore :rofl:
 

jimbo_h

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impressive stuff kilner, I've got the itch again so I've been looking around for what to do next. How do you find the hybrid in terms of reliability? u reckon it'd be able to cop with 25k a yr? and do 45mpg? boring stuff i know, but i want a swiss army knife, something that does it all. Been having a look at the darkside site, BT looks tempting but have no reviews etc to get any idea how it would be any good as a daily. any pointers would be appreciated

ok here is my new mapping

my 5ark map made more bhp at the top end BUT it was lacking power on the botom end and midrange

if you look you can see i am making around 25bhp more thru the range apart from the peak at the top end

resson for loss of power at the top is we hav reduced fueling by about 15% over the 5ark map and also reduced the amount of duration

5ark map was making my EGTS very hot 1000c in 3rd gear massive overfueling and causing the excess fuel to burn in the exhaust manifold

i dont think 5ark are talking to me any more as i have changed tuner and then i got removed on facebook ??? LOL

im just not a patiant person and im not wating months and months for a company to decide they can do my car how i want it doin

i could also gain teh power back at the top if we incresed fuel and duration a tad more also ther is more to come as im aiming for 2bar of boost atm it is around 1.9bar ..

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in these test you can see the ***** map made more bhp but would it be the faster car on the road ? less power and torq thru the midrange

YOU DECIDE

also the ***** run was made in the morning after a slow drive to rstuning after a full day on the dyno around 20 runs we then got the rstuning results

and to say its only 3bhp down over the ***** map and was probably heat soked to hell i think it has done prity well

i also think ther is a tad more to be gained from the ecu adaption not much but i think this new map will be on par with the 5arks map's MAX BHP

im happy rstuning is happy- 5ark probably not that happy as they dont hav a hybrided pd170 to test on anymore :rofl:
 

AndrewJB

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Jimbo the BT kits arent all they are cracked upto be

As a daily car it will be annoying with a BT on as they all seem to be rubbish low down
 

kilner

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in theory

the hybrid should be more reliable than the standard turbo

i am running the hybrid at 0.5 bar of boost more than i was running my standard turbo and the hybrid has a much larger compressor so it can flow that amount of air alot more easy than the stock turbo

so the hybrid wont be spinin half as fast as the standard to maket he same kind of boost should keep reliabilty

as for the BT kits do you realy want to drop 5k on the BT kit and remap and all the otehr bits to only make 260 to 280 tops and then you will need new injectors that so it will be around £180 per injector so £720 just for the injectors then you need to send them off to be made to flow more fuel that will cost you another £600

if you are goin big turbo kit then you need the uprated injectors to make the most of it

o and the main problem is finding a mapper who can map it in properly

as you can see from my graphs my all map was making more power than my new map dose that mean it was the beter map ?

i have gained a tone of power and torq low down and in the midrange that the bit at the top means nothing

also we reduced loads of duration and injection amount so not as much black smoke the old map was very bad with smoke i still have some heavy smoke but not half as bad as the old map

so even if you make good power with a mapper its no gurante that its a good map

and i will say now my car is much much qwicker than it was on the map that made more power

i have a hill that is just over 1/4 mile that i test on for speed the most i had was around 92 on the old map the new map i am hiting 103 :D

just be carefull ther is so much bull **** in this diesel tuning and even now i am told that my car is not running the power i have shown and that the dyno is not acurate

i ran my car on the rstuning rollers with the old dpf delete and it made 201 so i think my results are 90% acurate

and if you look into these big turbo kits and the people who bought them how many of those people can actually backup ther claims ? none of them seem to have any dyno graphs or anything and every one is just quoting ESTIMATED power


i would say do as you like and do what you want to do not what people are telling you to do that way if you dont get good results its down to you and you carnt blame any one for talking bull

also i have made a fair few mechanical tweeks to get every thing setup spot on and 100% of people would not make these tweeks but imo this is what has pushed me from the 240 range to the 260 range


untill there is proof that the big turbo kit can push 300bhp on the pd170 engine i personally would take a wide birth

if you only make 260 on the big turbo kit i doubt ther would be anypower at all in the low end and midrange

i have made my car to be a daily drive and the odd bash on the 1/4mile for santa pod/gti inters

i have not made it to be a race car or anything like that i just wanted a peppy diesel :funk:
 

robthebubble

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Feb 22, 2011
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Does anyone know if FL headlights fit a NON FL Seat Leon FR with btcc kit?

I don't think it's a perfect fit...I saw a thread last week from G5RBY who had FL lights and a pre FL BTCC bumper, he ended up swapping the bumper to get a better fit as there was a slight gap by the headlights. This is what he said:

Been covered many times before on here so thought I would clarify for everyone. I have a pre facelift fr with facelift headlights on. Only thing needed for this is facelift bumper, headlights and foglights.
People say need new wings, bonnets etc. and it's not true.

Hope this answers your question Willz!
 
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Willz17

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Jun 27, 2012
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Many thanks mate,

Looks like I won't be buying FL headlights then lol.
Can't afford to buy a new btcc bumper and fog lights just to buy FL xenon headlights ^^