Remap Bargin

[Mitchy]

Not putting anyone off mate, i expressed my own opinions.

I never once individualled a company and said they were bad at what they do.

I do know though companies like Revo/Jabba etc spend a lot of time in research and development so put all that together with reputation, customer support etc then thats where you should spend your money.

An ebay remap, come on. What customer support are you going to get? If its a bad map what have they got to lose etc.

Some people just compare the prices of all these maps and automatically go for the cheapest option That is wrong IMO as your speaking about the health of an engine. The last thing you want is a map running stupidly lean to find your pistons coming through the bonnet for the sake of ''saving £200'' by opting for the cheaper undeveloped, untested map.

I done quite a bit of research before choosing where i was going to spend my £££, so i think i chose carefully. I get the impression, some folk on here just want a remap for the cheapest price possible but not giving 2 fuc*s about what it does for the car.

I have never once stated P-torque or JKM are ''crap'' at what they do, all i said was i personally would go for 1 of the more ''known'' respected VAG tuners.

We all have our opinions, i have the right to express mine.

Its comparable to a Sony LCD television, and an Alba LCD television, both will do the job and give a picture but you'll notice the better quality with the Sony
The old saying goes a long way. You pay for what you get

I am not just saying this for a laugh, i have been in quite a few LCR's with ''remaps'' that just didn't flick my switch

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

All I can say is that judging a re-map by its price is not the best method either.

On the other hand, I do agree that you must be very careful who you choose. 90% of people will stick to the same tuner as long as they did the job well.

I have an VW Golf 1.8T in right now, with GT28 turbo, and all the trimmings. When this drives out of my workshop, the guy will know he's dealing with someone who knows what they are doing

Everyone has an opinion, and thats fair enough

 

[Mitchy]

No of course not mate, but when you stroll around the various VAG based forum sites, audisport.net/mk1v.net/briskoda etc and the 2 Seat forums, the same companies keep cropping up and repeating themselves.

Jabba/Revo/APR and the likes are obviously popular for a reason and thats because of reputation and the amount of people who have had these remaps.

To be fair, ive been around here for a couple of years and even though you guys are forum sponsors, i had still never heard of P-torque. Thats not to say your not good at what you do, its just saying that there are more ''popular'' remap companies out there, or i should just pay more attention to the ever increasing remap options open

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

Well we are probably cheaper as we dont pump as much money into advertising like some of the companies you mention

P-Torque work alot from recommendation, its cheaper for us as a company, and therefore also for the end customer.

John from Briskoda as just e-mailed me actually, as we have sent our info over a while ago ready for a new advert on there. Maybe you'll see our name a bit more in the coming months on there

 

[daveyonthemove]

No of course not mate, but when you stroll around the various VAG based forum sites, audisport.net/mk1v.net/briskoda etc and the 2 Seat forums, the same companies keep cropping up and repeating themselves.

Jabba/Revo/APR and the likes are obviously popular for a reason and thats because of reputation and the amount of people who have had these remaps.

To be fair, ive been around here for a couple of years and even though you guys are forum sponsors, i had still never heard of P-torque. Thats not to say your not good at what you do, its just saying that there are more ''popular'' remap companies out there, or i should just pay more attention to the ever increasing remap options open

How did Jabba/Revo/APR etc all build up their reputation? I guess a few people decided to give them a go, and the results were impressive enough to recomend to a mate and so on. Why should the lesser known tuners not get the same crack of the whip? Everyone starts somewhere?


Going back on topic, i would avoid ebay for a simple reason..... scammers will happily take every penny you have for any item on there, and like if they were reputable, they would have a good name for themselves andcould charge what they like.
If you can't afford the "big name" tuners, give JKM or P-torque a go. they have feedback on here that doesn't consist of AAAA++++

 

[RobM]

JKM shouldn't be in this conversation as they are Revo dealers and haven't yet finalised their own in house tuning, so they don't really apply.

But the others, such as Bell Autos, PTorque etc are a good example of what's being discussed. The entire VAG community knows of these people, word of mouth is their best form of advertising. But they don't have the marketing power of the other companys mentioned, so aren't always the first choice in many peoples minds.

A lot of people simply don't understand, or don't have an interest in finding out the ins and outs of what each company can offer, they will simply go with a tried and tested company knowing that they will be safe. That could be Revo, could be Jabba, could be anybody that gets mentioned enough. But that doesn't make it the best choice, just the safest one.

'Popular' is as much about habit as it is about ability. Revo et el are popular as their marketing has put them on the lips of everybody in the VAG community.

Just think, if you want a portable music player you immediately think of iPod, right? When in fact they are definitely not the best music players on the market. Many others offer better sound quality (the most important part of a music player!) better ease of use, better reliability and better value for money. But Apples genius marketing has made them the first name that pops onto peoples lips when thinking of these products. That means people buy them without knowing what else there is around, as they are a safe choice. You know they will do what you want, you recognise the name, so it must be safe. Not the best by any means though.

 

[Big_daddy]

JKM shouldn't be in this conversation as they are Revo dealers and haven't yet finalised their own in house tuning, so they don't really apply.

But the others, such as Bell Autos, PTorque etc are a good example of what's being discussed. The entire VAG community knows of these people, word of mouth is their best form of advertising. But they don't have the marketing power of the other companys mentioned, so aren't always the first choice in many peoples minds.

A lot of people simply don't understand, or don't have an interest in finding out the ins and outs of what each company can offer, they will simply go with a tried and tested company knowing that they will be safe. That could be Revo, could be Jabba, could be anybody that gets mentioned enough. But that doesn't make it the best choice, just the safest one.

'Popular' is as much about habit as it is about ability. Revo et el are popular as their marketing has put them on the lips of everybody in the VAG community.

Just think, if you want a portable music player you immediately think of iPod, right? When in fact they are definitely not the best music players on the market. Many others offer better sound quality (the most important part of a music player!) better ease of use, better reliability and better value for money. But Apples genius marketing has made them the first name that pops onto peoples lips when thinking of these products. That means people buy them without knowing what else there is around, as they are a safe choice. You know they will do what you want, you recognise the name, so it must be safe. Not the best by any means though.

i understand what you saying! as longs as it has been done with quality and the remap works well. Then you cant complain! I know other companies have bigger rep than others but i dont go by that! If such companies offers me excelenct customer service and threat me as a valued customer. IM happy

 

[Mitchy]

Another way to look at it though which shines the big 4 companies is user compatability.
Jabba offers an adjustable on the move boost controller to switch from low boost-med boost to high boost, in fact all the way from 10psi -21psi. This is obviously handy for fuel consumption purposes.

Revo offers the SPS dongle allowing the user to fine tune their car with adjusting boost and timing.

CC offer a custom settings programme where you again can adjust settings.

APR offer the same as above, with a very handy feature of over boost 100+%

These are the ''Top'' 4 companies and they all offer something extra and special. Jabbasport gives you rolling road time, custom code gives you on the road mapping etc etc.

The less known tuning companies dont offer anything like this, which IMO is a HUGE selling factor and advantage to have user compatability involved.

Im sure P-torque are very good at what they do, but its a hard market especially when companies as in the big 4 offer more than just a 20min remap

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

Not sure why you feel the need to keep going on to be honest.

We can easily offer a switchable map, but it would be more expensive for the customer, and all maps would be generic.

I'll map a car for optimum boost, and reliable boost. There is very little point of messing with boost yourself, unless you are heavily upgrading the car weekly

Dont take it the wrong way, but I'd appreciate you not keep using us as an example. We do our job well, and dont need comparing by methods of how a map is applied.

 

[Big_daddy]

This thread is turning out like dogson and bas.

 

[Mitchy]

Dont take it the wrong way, but I'd appreciate you not keep using us as an example. We do our job well, and dont need comparing by methods of how a map is applied.

No offence taken, i dont know why your company has become involved in this thread anyway, as 24hrs ago i had personally never heard of P-torque. This thread isn't about P-torque, its about an ebay remap.

I've already said your probably very good at what you do

All i have given is my own opinion on why someone looking for a remap should do a lot of research beforehand There really isn't anything wrong with that advice

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

This thread is turning out like dogson and bas.

Hi Mate

Sorry, I dont like getting into these things, Im just trying to put the point across that we'd happily go up against any (without mentioning actual names) re-maps and have done in the past

Reputation is important, so its hard to understand comparing the quality of a tuner by the method used to flash the ECU. Its the re-map thats important.

Hope I haven't sounded funny to any members, as you guys are the important ones Just dont like being targeted

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

No offence taken, i dont know why your company has become involved in this thread anyway, as 24hrs ago i had personally never heard of P-torque. This thread isn't about P-torque, its abount an ebay remap.

I've already said your probably very good at what you do

All i have given is my own opinion on why someone looking for a remap should do a lot of research beforehand There really isn't anything wrong with that advice

Fair enough, enoughs enough

(Thats alot of enoughs)

 

[Snoopie]

Hi Mate

Sorry, I dont like getting into these things, Im just trying to put the point across that we'd happily go up against any (without mentioning actual names) re-maps and have done in the past

Reputation is important, so its hard to understand comparing the quality of a tuner by the method used to flash the ECU. Its the re-map thats important.

Hope I haven't sounded funny to any members, as you guys are the important ones Just dont like being targeted

A nice respectful answer ... Some people seem to think the higher the price, the better the remap! .....
Maybe you should rise your prices by £200

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

A nice respectful answer ... Some people seem to think the higher the price, the better the remap! .....
Maybe you should rise your prices by £200

Ok, from now maps start at £600

Only joking! Our prices are sticking!

 

[daveyonthemove]

Another way to look at it though which shines the big 4 companies is user compatability.
Jabba offers an adjustable on the move boost controller to switch from low boost-med boost to high boost, in fact all the way from 10psi -21psi. This is obviously handy for fuel consumption purposes.

Revo offers the SPS dongle allowing the user to fine tune their car with adjusting boost and timing.

CC offer a custom settings programme where you again can adjust settings.

APR offer the same as above, with a very handy feature of over boost 100+%

These are the ''Top'' 4 companies and they all offer something extra and special. Jabbasport gives you rolling road time, custom code gives you on the road mapping etc etc.

The less known tuning companies dont offer anything like this, which IMO is a HUGE selling factor and advantage to have user compatability involved.

Im sure P-torque are very good at what they do, but its a hard market especially when companies as in the big 4 offer more than just a 20min remap

Some people just want a straight forward remap without worrying about altering things themselves. I've had my car mapped by one of the companys you mention (time and time again ) and they only took 20 mins! The remap is fantastic and i'm very pleased with it and can't find any reason to make use of the "special something" that they offer, yet a mate of mine had his car remapped by a little known company 2 weeks back and they took just over an hour. The engine is exactly the same as mine, and it now runs as well as mine, yet it cost a couple of hundred quid less. As a result this company is getting alot of interest from me and my mates and i have no doubt that they will go on to be a bigger company if they continue in this manner. I won't name the company on here as i feel that you will go on to slag them off as you haven't heard of them yet, therefore they must be unworthy to be printed on these hallow pages.
In summary, GIVE IT A REST! P-Torque and other companys are offering a service to ALL car owners and doing a good job. If you can't think of anything other than dropping big names, sit back and let the thread go on without your input.

 

[Mitchy]

Okay ill give it a rest as i've obviously offered bad advice

Good god

 

[Snoopie]

In summary, GIVE IT A REST! P-Torque and other companys are offering a service to ALL car owners and doing a good job. If you can't think of anything other than dropping big names, sit back and let the thread go on without your input.

Nicely put.

Unfortunately, people are intested in a good pub BHP figure, and high BHP rolling road map, rather than a suitable road car.

All my car's have been modified by a certain tuner, In my opinion, in comparison to other Maps's I've seen, they've got a good power line, very smoothly layed out, and at a fantastic price.

Another thing I like about P-Torque, is they give realistic performance increases, Between 240-265hp. Which is what I prefer from a tuner.

 

[Mitchy]

Snoopie, if you want to have a dig at me, do it through the PM system.

I know what the LCR is capable of, far better than you. You've been around 5 mins mate and think 2.5% losses are credible. Says a lot about you

You want to carry this on, do through pm please

 

[daveyonthemove]

Okay ill give it a rest as i've obviously offered bad advice

Good god

It was ill informed advice.
Sorry to be harsh, but you can't say a company isn't worth going to because you haven't heard of them. I think we can both agree that an Ebay remap should be avoided and the best thing to do is go to a company with a fixed address and good following no matter how big the name.