Remapping PD130 - more torque or BHP??

[fluffy01016]

Not wanting to start another debate about the best remapper around, but more of a general enquiry as to what would be better, torque or BHP.

Below are listed the BHP and torque figures for jabba and revo. Jabba offers more BHP but Revo more torque. Assuming the fiqures quoted are true, which would you guys go for??

Jabbasport

195 BHP & 358 Nm

Revo

170 BHP & 380 Nm

 

[redcupratdi]

deffo the bhp there is enough torque standard! 1 would have the first one jabba any day. alot of pressure/heat on engine bits with 195bhp and 358nm of torque from a 130 .

 

[mrcoyote]

Look beyond the headline figures and consider how the power's delivered, along with any advantages/disadvantages of each remap. i.e. switching, etc.

Anyway, don't they calculate BHP from the torque figures?

 

[redcupratdi]

sounds funny to me some figure these tuners quote estimate or made up?

if high bhp could be very spiky and very high boost ,

more torque lots more fuel added?

i got a very smooth and gorgeous map 200bhp and 400nmm of torque
estimated, and only increase boost smalll amount.

it runs lovely could of got a 210 bhp remapp but worried about pressure on car/engine drivetrain problems.
+ 10 extra bhp not going to change the world!

I think remappinga 130 to 195bhp and 380nm torque and nothing else is a (little bit too good to be true), is a quick increase but what about the reiliblitily of the engine in the long run or short?

or adding to that he safety of the driver running nearly 200bhp with nothing else uprated brakes etc, could land u in a hedge!!

running 380nm through 16 x 7" must just spin and spin.

 

[DaveP]

If I was getting mine mapped then I would get them to limit the torque under 2500 because they spin the wheels as standard too easily!

 

[Johnsey]

or adding to that he safety of the driver running nearly 200bhp with nothing else uprated brakes etc, could land u in a hedge!!

That's not the responsibility of the tuner though is it.

Look beyond the headline figures and consider how the power's delivered, along with any advantages/disadvantages of each remap. i.e. switching, etc.

Nail on the head

 

[mik]

Assuming the figures are "true" I'd go with the high BHP version.

Why> READ THIS

 

[AlphaMale]

More torque - less BHP!

Alpha

 

[micky 32]

deffo the bhp there is enough torque standard! 1 would have the first one jabba any day. alot of pressure/heat on engine bits with 195bhp and 358nm of torque from a 130 .

The 130 engine will take as much stress as the 160, its the same long block.

 

[mr. Hedgehog]

I'm not going with REVO or Jabba on my VRS because i'm looking for a smooth map i can use day to day with clients in the car. REVO is great if you like mashing tyres up and huge torque. Personally i am going with CustomCode, but it could quite easily have been Forge - Horses for courses.

More BHP means you can put better use to the stacks of torque you already have. I'd also bet the Jabba figures are 'a bit optimistic'. Huge torque low down can turn to clutch slip too - not so much a problem for Jabba, but plenty of REVO'ed TDi s have had a bit of trouble when thrashed.

I would think you are more likely to see more usable revs with Jabba, and a much smoother torque curve.

 

[monkeysan]

running 380nm through 16 x 7" must just spin and spin.

i agree with this comment - traction control would fit like an epileptic LOL


power/torque is useless unless its USEABLE

 

[Ant FR]

i am looking to go REVO now i think, the main attraction being having it switchable with the SPS and also not ringing out every last bit of power. It seems to me from what i have read and seen and my own experiences with the 1.8 T, if you are happy to settle with say 180bhp and 290 ish torque then the car should cope well with it.

Push it that little bit further for the sake of a couple more BHp and a few more lb/ft torque and you suddenly start verging on the side of component's limits. my main point here being the Clutch and also intercoole etc.

so i think on my TDi i will go with a generic REVO code which still seems to get praised by lots, but is not pushing me beyond the clutches threshold etc.

as for traction, not an option as far as i have seen, compared the 1.8T the tdi puts its power down 10 times better than the 1.8t FR i had.

its funny really, its like when you go up santa pod and watch people with super high bhp cars, if you can't launch it and realise you have to drive it within the laws of physics then there is no point having it. I don't think the TDi's are too hard to control, you just need to adjust your driving style accordingly.

just got to save a bit for mine now, but would like it before i go to the ring again in april.

 

[VRStu]

Custom Code can be switched via VAG-COM.


I have been to Peterborough I think those Jabba figures are a little optomistic, but then every set of rollers tells a different story.

 

[Ant FR]

Custom Code can be switched via VAG-COM.

yeah but another cost again to go get the vag com cable etc.

 

[EdButler]

yeah but another cost again to go get the vag com cable etc.

Its the same/less than an SPS1! And the fact that VAG COM has far more uses than just that... Get a car pc hooked up and have boost guages etc Did you also know that CC has different mapping available like High Boost and Fuel Saving... All switchable in 1 second.

Also have you seen some of the graph comparisons between CC and Revo?

The ones ive seen from CC are beautifully smooth with no quick torque changes at all.

The revo ones ive seen often have a dip/spike at just over 2000 rpm and i believe this is why so many people suffer from clutch problems as the engine surges.

Bugger im sounding like a salesman

 

[Ruddmeister]

There are some remarkably similar products on the market, the tuning world seems smaller and smaller the more I speak to people involved. All the products are slightly different but most are limited by the tuners desire to preserve clutch life on these cars.

I think Mr Coyote is right
"Look beyond the headline figures and consider how the power's delivered, along with any advantages/disadvantages of each remap. i.e. switching, etc."
Add to that Customer Support etc etc

I also think that unless you are doing some serious modifications to the engine limit the mod's to a basic remap and panel filter....gains thereafter are ever more expensive and in ever decreasing amounts....infact some have a negative effect ....switch funds to stopping power and suspension.

 

[VRStu]

yeah but another cost again to go get the vag com cable etc.

Ed answered most of it really but VAG-COM compatible cables can be had for £15 or less these days.

 

[Ant FR]

Ed answered most of it really but VAG-COM compatible cables can be had for £15 or less these days.

where cos i bloody want one, any info, cheers

 

[VRStu]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VAG-COM-COMPA...042830001QQcategoryZ30921QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


How many do you want!!

http://search.ebay.co.uk/vag-com_W0QQfromZR40