remote folding mirrors

[autoScott]

Install clarification:
In the Beetle/SEAT wiring column, there are three wire colors listed in step #5.
The first two wires are alternatives for Beetle. SEAT is the third wire color listed, so:
Step #5, attach AutoWindow WHITE to Yellow w/Grey trace wire in the car for SEAT.

Sorry about the confusion, the instructions have been corrected to clarify.

 

[samm]

Right, installed mine today! What a nightmare! It took 4 hours in the end. I did it with a mate who is normally a whizz at things like this. Getting the door panels off was difficult as I was worried I might destroy part of it. Running the cable from one side to the other was bloody hard as well. I think the '2 hours for a newbie' claim on autowindows webiste is a bit optimistic.

 

[autoScott]

...It took 4 hours in the end. ... I think the '2 hours for a newbie' claim on autowindows webiste is a bit optimistic.

I thought Reflex got a "blessing" of allow 3 hours somewhere in the instructions, all the other models allow 2 hours. If not, I'll certainly update the expectation on web site and instructions to allow 4 hours for Reflex. It certainly is "double the work" with two panels instead of one - but I figure you get better with experience.. ;-) Anyway I'd rather err on the conservative side. And thanks for sticking with it!!

 

[CupraR-Rog]

One day I might have a go at fitting mine...

 

[samm]

And thanks for sticking with it!!

No problem Scott! If I had to do it again I reckon I could do it in a couple of hours. Once the first door panel came off, it was easy to remove the second one as you knew where all the fixings were located. I did have to take the glove box off as Feel said but this was easy in the end, just remove all the torx screws on the side and underneath and it comes away in one unit. I kept the airbag switch connected just in case!! Sorry for waffling but I just thought I could give a few tips from my experience yesterday.

The system has had the ultimate accolade.....my wife said it is great and she loves it when the mirrors fold when the car is locked so say no more.....

 

[autoScott]

Tip: Selective Unlocking and POWER Pack

We've found that (some) SEAT cars are a bit different in the way they do selective unlocking, and it is causing AutoWindow to do an UNFOLD-DOWN command when just an UNFOLD is issued (unlock unlock).

This can happen when: your car has been set for selective unlocking (i.e. it takes two presses of unlock to open all doors), AND when AutoWindow POWER Pack is enabled.

There is an alternate command sequence you can use to prevent windows coming down in this situation: Press unlock once and pause and the mirrors will begin to unfold, then as mirrors are unfolding press unlock-unlock as you would normally to open all doors.

Hardware work-around: If you are sure you do not want windows coming down under the control of AutoWindow *ever* then you may disconnect AutoWindow's WHITE wire from the car.

 

[samm]

Hardware work-around: If you are sure you do not want windows coming down under the control of AutoWindow *ever* then you may disconnect AutoWindow's WHITE wire from the car.

That's what i did! I couldn't think of a reason to want to put the windows down remotely. I thought I had screwed up the wiring when I did an unfold and the bloody windows came down as well so the magic white wire was disconnected!

 

[autoScott]

Please keep in mind the WHITE wire also does the work of the RETRACT command
which is useful for completely aborting window up activity in an emergency.

The STOP command still works with WHITE disconnected to stop any window activity
(going up any further) but that's as much as you can do in an emergency without resorting
to using the key in the door to roll windows down.

If you want to prevent the chance of AutoWindow doing any UP window activity,
you guessed it, disconnect the WHITE w/Trace wire from the car.

The key can still be used to roll windows up/down with these wires disconnected.

The key will also invoke the FOLD / UN-FOLD commands as you leave / enter the car,
as usual when using the remote. Did you know that?

You could individually switch these wires on/off using toggles installed behind the door
panel if you are so inclinded and want to reserve the flexibility of doing so.

 

[Redcupra20vt]

Will this ever be available for the mk3 ibiza cupra???

please say yes!!

Cheers

Paul

 

[autoScott]

Will this ever be available for the mk3 ibiza cupra???

please say yes!!

Cheers

Paul

"ever" is a long time.. and nothing is impossible!

 

[paz]

hi scott,

I've not forgot about you mate, just i've been to busy to finish the install off. Hopefull I'll get it done this week. - I'll let you know how I get on

Cheers

Paz

 

[Jon@VAGWORX]

Installed my reflex kit on saturday

Took me just over 3 hours of being carefull and thorough.

Didn't start very well though, the ground cable refered to in the guide was not correct, the cable was there but was not an earth
Not much of a problem really just worried me as the first wire i connected was wrong

After that everything went fine and even getting the cable round the dash was a lot easier than i thought it would be.

So, my thoughts on the kit having used it for a day ferrying my mates around yesterday-

Well, it doesn't work ideally on the LCR, i think the double unlock is the reason for this as locking is as you would expect.

When unlocking you press once, drivers door unlocks, mirrors fold out.
If you press twice to unlock all the doors and boot the windows go down too
How annoying.
The way round this is by pressing unlock once, wait a couple of seconds then press unlock twice.

As i said not ideal.

I'm yet to work out how i can unlock the car without the mirrors coming out

Any ideas apreciated.

So, at the moment i am about 7/10 happy.

 

[Feel]

Installed my reflex kit on saturday

Took me just over 3 hours of being carefull and thorough.

Didn't start very well though, the ground cable refered to in the guide was not correct, the cable was there but was not an earth
Not much of a problem really just worried me as the first wire i connected was wrong

After that everything went fine and even getting the cable round the dash was a lot easier than i thought it would be.

So, my thoughts on the kit having used it for a day ferrying my mates around yesterday-

Well, it doesn't work ideally on the LCR, i think the double unlock is the reason for this as locking is as you would expect.

When unlocking you press once, drivers door unlocks, mirrors fold out.
If you press twice to unlock all the doors and boot the windows go down too
How annoying.
The way round this is by pressing unlock once, wait a couple of seconds then press unlock twice.

As i said not ideal.

I'm yet to work out how i can unlock the car without the mirrors coming out

Any ideas apreciated.

So, at the moment i am about 7/10 happy.

Mine does the same (two UNLOCKs does an UNFOLD - DOWN). The reason for this is that, for some reason, two quick presses of UNLOCK actually does three UNLOCKs on the car (try it yourself - if you do two quick UNLOCKs, listen and you'll hear the lock relays fire three times...) If the Autowindow sees three UNLOCKs it does a full UNFOLD and DOWN.

I mentioned this to Scott when we were testing, I had hoped he had fixed it in the production version, but I guess he was unable to figure a way round it.

Scott did post about this a little while ago, and a solution to get round it.

AFAIK, the only way to do unlock the car without unfolding the mirrors is to disable power pack mode.

Anyone - can you do a poll midway through a thread? I was wondering of all the peeps with Reflex fitted how many have the PowerPack enabled?

 

[Jon@VAGWORX]

Mine does the same (two UNLOCKs does an UNFOLD - DOWN). The reason for this is that, for some reason, two quick presses of UNLOCK actually does three UNLOCKs on the car (try it yourself - if you do two quick UNLOCKs, listen and you'll hear the lock relays fire three times...) If the Autowindow sees three UNLOCKs it does a full UNFOLD and DOWN.

I mentioned this to Scott when we were testing, I had hoped he had fixed it in the production version, but I guess he was unable to figure a way round it.

Scott did post about this a little while ago, and a solution to get round it.

AFAIK, the only way to do unlock the car without unfolding the mirrors is to disable power pack mode.

Anyone - can you do a poll midway through a thread? I was wondering of all the peeps with Reflex fitted how many have the PowerPack enabled?

Dissable powerpack mode????
I think that must have been the part that i didn't understand.
Couldn't get my head round the custom mode nor could i understand how it would help this problem, so i left it stock.

How could this help??

 

[platinum]

I run mine in powerpack mode. Had a few problems to start with, but spoke to Scott and o.k now. With mirrors folded in when I unlock the car if I want the other doors and boot open you do the double unlock while the mirrors are folding out.

The only other way to prevent the windows coming down, running in powerpack mode, is to wait a couple of seconds as you say. A bit of a pain but so what.

Lastly, why do you want to unlock the car and not have the mirrors fold out?? Is this for unlocking the car but not using it to go anywhere?? Don't think there is an option for that but Scott will obviously know.

 

[Feel]

Well, it sounds to me like you're in PowerPack mode, which means that all you have to do is to press LOCK once, and all the windows will close and the mirrors will fold. I thought that the units were delivered in Default mode - you have to press UNLOCK->LOCK to Close the windows and lock car, and UNLOCK->UNLOCK->LOCK, to Fold mirrors, close windows and lock car. And a bunch of other commands to do the unfold and unlock. I assumed that you'd changed from the default mode to powerpack.

If to read the manual, it tells you how to change modes (it's a bit awkward until you get used to it).

How could this help??

If you were to disable PowerPack, you would be able to un-lock the car without unfolding the mirrors - because pressing UNLOCK once would unlock the car but not unfold the mirrors.

 

[Feel]

Well, it sounds to me like you're in PowerPack mode, which means that all you have to do is to press LOCK once, and all the windows will close and the mirrors will fold. I thought that the units were delivered in Default mode - you have to press UNLOCK->LOCK to Close the windows and lock car, and UNLOCK->UNLOCK->LOCK, to Fold mirrors, close windows and lock car. And a bunch of other commands to do the unfold and unlock. I assumed that you'd changed from the default mode to powerpack.

If to read the manual, it tells you how to change modes (it's a bit awkward until you get used to it).

If you were to disable PowerPack, you would be able to un-lock the car without unfolding the mirrors - because pressing UNLOCK once would unlock the car but not unfold the mirrors.

Oh, sorry, just read the instructions again and I might have assumed too much - you might not be in PowerPack mode.

You'd probably still have to press UNLOCK once, then wait a couple of seconds before doing UNLOCK->UNLOCK (to open the other doors) otherwise it would still see three UNLOCKs and do a UNFOLD-DOWN.

Or have I just confused the hell out of you?

 

[Jon@VAGWORX]

Oh, sorry, just read the instructions again and I might have assumed too much - you might not be in PowerPack mode.

You'd probably still have to press UNLOCK once, then wait a couple of seconds before doing UNLOCK->UNLOCK (to open the other doors) otherwise it would still see three UNLOCKs and do a UNFOLD-DOWN.

Or have I just confused the hell out of you?

Erm yup!!!!

Right just to clarify-

I left it in default mode as i didn't think that power pack mode would be able to help this.

As platinum says, if i double click a couple of seconds after a first UNLOCK command this opens all doors and boot, a little annoying but looks like there is nothing i can do

Platinum- When i park my car in my garage i have to fold my mirrors in to get in and out. Once in i lock my car etc. Then when i take it out i want to unlock all doors and boot (to load my car up) but still want the mirrors to remain folded until i have reversed out the garage. if that makes sense.

Thing is i should be able to do that judging by their website.

Ideally-

COMMAND RESULT

Unlock = drivers door unlocked
Unlock, unlock = All doors (and boot) and mirrors unfold

and possibly
Lock, Unlock, Unlock= All doors, mirrors and windows.


As i said above, lock etc functions are ok.


Or am i just being picky

 

[autoScott]

Ideally-

COMMAND RESULT
Unlock = drivers door unlocked
Unlock, unlock = All doors (and boot) and mirrors unfold
...
As i said above, lock etc functions are ok.

J-R you are right in the above. This is the way Reflex is designed to work
in Default mode (no Power Pack). And just to complete the picture, it's
Unlock, unlock, unlock = all doors, mirrors unfold, and roll down - and this
last command applies in any mode.

With Power Pack enabled things change a little for unlocking, in that
pressing unlock once (your first scenario above) also results in driver's door
unlocking and mirrors unfolding.
(This assumes you have selective unlocking on your car, which you do,
otherwise all doors would unlock).

Feel is also onto something, which is the root of the problem, with this:

for some reason, two quick presses of UNLOCK actually does three UNLOCKs on the car (try it yourself - if you do two quick UNLOCKs, listen and you'll hear the lock relays fire three times...) If the Autowindow sees three UNLOCKs it does a full UNFOLD and DOWN.

This is exactly right.. Reflex is responding to all it sees. The problem is that
only 1 or 2 unlock presses are coming from your hand / remote and the car
controller is tossing in an "extra" (phantom) unlock on the driver's door, so
Reflex sees 2 or 3 unlocks...
(Pure conjecture on my part but this may be a SEAT/VW a bug in their controller).

The net result is that Reflex cannot parse "just one unlock" as it is always seeing
two or more presses - hence you cannot get into the car without unfolding
remotely folded mirrors. And window drop "prematurely" on just two presses.
I've already posted a couple work-arounds to this problem that seem to
be helping others... Disconnecting WHITE wire is a "hard" way to prevent
windows down. Or pressing unlock once, pausing for unfold to begin, then
pressing unlock twice more to unlock all doors is a "soft" work around for not
dropping windows.


Here's a work-around for your parking scenario:

To help you get in and out of your garage at home.. Reflex is designed
to respect the interior folding switch so long as you don't over-ride its action
with a remote command which would then take precedence. So for this parking
scenario use the interior fold switch before entering the garage, and when you
leave the car do *not* use a remote folding command. e.g. In Default mode you
would just press lock. If you had Power Pack enabled, you'd press unlock
then wait 2 seconds, then press lock. These commands will result in Reflex
not doing any "re-folding" of folded mirrors. Later, when you return to the car
for leaving the garage press unlock as you would to get into the car and mirrors
should remain folded. Exit the garage then use interior switch to unfold.

("Tricks" like this are documented in the user manual's vehicle integration section,
but it is somewhat cryptic to understand everything it says. All the subtle
nuances of using Reflex are discussed to help you squeeze all the possible
function out of the device.)

See my next post, I'd like to resolve this problem once and for all in future
releases and need some volunteer / input. Thanks.

 

[autoScott]

hunting down the "extra" unlock

I think some cars are inserting an extra unlock pulse on the driver's door
immediately after the first unlock, as the car is transitioning from a locked/armed
state to an unlocked/disarmed state.

It seems other doors are not getting the extra unlock, only the driver's door,
otherwise all doors would be unlocking too with just one press, and this
would defeat "selecting unlocking feature".

I would like some help making observations of the Reflex status LED
as you are unlocking car in different scenarios to *see* what exactly is going on.
Reflex will show each "unlock" signal it sees / parses as a double-pulse.
You can view the Reflex status LED by popping off the window switch console
and peeking inside using a mirror to see the module. It might work best
in a darkened area, or at night when the light inside the door will be more
obvious.

I'd like to determine when and where the extra pulse is appearing, and
I'd like to compare cars that have different settings for "selective unlocking".
So if your car "unlocks all doors on one press" that is one case.
If your car "unlocks the driver's door on one press, then all doors on 2nd" that's
another case study. (This feature is called selective unlocking, it's a VAG setting.)

Thanks!