Seat Leon Cupra Dump Valve advice

andycupra

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i cant comment on the SplitR having not had one myself, however when it was released there was lots for sale second hand in the for sale section within a few days...
Perhaps the price of it leads to an expectation that isnt met?

Seems to me that you can get a 007p and induction kit for the price of the SplitR. A no brainer.
 
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traumapat

Leon Cupra IHI
Jul 24, 2005
5,925
4
sunny sussex
lag between gears increased 2 fold and when put back to full recirc its still not quite right and trust me jbs adjusted it when they did my ihi kit and told me just how shite it was and i should just get a 007p with a yellow spring.
I can see why forge made this valve as there was great demand for it and it does exactly what it says " woosh sound with no fault codes " ( if set up right ) but they forgot to tell you that the recirc kept the turbo spinning between gears and reduced lag so by venting this presure to atmosphere you are killing the lag reducing system and trust me when you go big turbo this is egsadurated ALOT.
So to summerise its good for noise but WILL slow you down so its your choice, if you are out there running a split r in part atmos i will ask you to take your car for a raz then swop to full recirc and tell me the car isnt alot smoother AND quicker.

be careful with dv springs. im sure your ok as jbs have advised but i was warned by the mapper not to change the spring strength. when he got the car he opened the dv and asked for the original green spring (i think) . he could map it better apparently. if i then change the spring it will create an imbalance which ihi turbos dont like. sudden pressure on the spindle? im guessing but he made a big point about it.

the above is only about ihi turbos and 007 dv. your turbo is different to mine anyways and runs a different map but thought id mention it.

i think songman had issues with his turbo when he changed to a stronger spring... his, like mine was a jabba map. maybe its down to that.:confused:
 

caveo

Guest
should be ok with yellow spring as when i told forge i was running 1.4 bar they said yellow also.
 

David 85

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so.... what happens if you fit a atmospheric valve??? i only ask cos i fitted one to my cupra yester day.... haha, go on point and laugh!!!!1
 

Saul

<b>SCN Admin</b>
May 21, 2001
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:lol:

you asked for it!

seriously, in the long run will harm your car, fit a re-circ valve and put it down to experience.
 

David 85

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i put the standard bosch black plastic one back on just now... this is a recirc one rite? whats the benifits of an aftermarket 1 then?
 

Saul

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May 21, 2001
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yeah, bosch is a recirc, on remapped cars running higher boost, the rubber diaphragm can split.

aftermarket one such as forge 007 is that its a piston so no diaphragm to split, and also serviceable should it be required
 

Teasy

Active Member
Sep 1, 2007
451
1
Middlesbrough
Hello & Welcome Steffy, :D

I've just fitted a Forge 007 DV along with a K&N panel filter - excellent, well worth a recommendation :funk:
 

-spook-

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has anyone on here got an atmospheric valve fitted?? im gettin mixed reports, ppl on here are saying go for a re-circ as it cause problems but a few mechanics and mates cnt see why it would cause a problem. can someone please explain wich is best and why??
 

Teasy

Active Member
Sep 1, 2007
451
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Middlesbrough
I was advised on here to get a closed one & NOT a recirc'g one as they cause problems....I did & it's superb!!!!!!!! I would advise as I was advised......a 007 was good for me

:funk: :D [B)] :p

Yooh!!
 

traumapat

Leon Cupra IHI
Jul 24, 2005
5,925
4
sunny sussex
has anyone on here got an atmospheric valve fitted?? im gettin mixed reports, ppl on here are saying go for a re-circ as it cause problems but a few mechanics and mates cnt see why it would cause a problem. can someone please explain wich is best and why??

the cars ecu will see the bov as a leak, which eventually will throw a fault. i think... each time you change gear youll run too rich.
do a search... there was a technical post explaining it in detail.

many on here have tried bovs ... but all eventually threw faults, and they all go back to recircs.
 

lofer

Atlantis to Interzone
Apr 11, 2007
770
3
Holbeach
"No rhime or reason"

But:

(and concentrate, here comes the science bit!)

A modern engine management system, ie the Bosch Me unit fitted to 1.8T's has "adaptive" learning on the fuel, ignition and airflow side.

Because Me is a Torque based structure it's calculation of engine torque verses driver demand is critical to the driveability of the car and it's performance / durability.

When you fit a "leak" in the intake system (open circuit valve) the original calibration of the MAF sensor to manifold and cylinder filling modeling will not corespond. However due to the 20% allowance in the long term adaptive values the ECU will relearn you engine and "leak"

At idle the inlet model calculated airflow will exceed the MAF meters measured output, and depending on the state of your particular components - ie MAF ageing / contamination, throttle plate leakage, Fuel tank purge vapour concentration this may, or may not push the adaptive to it's 20% limit. If it hits the limit the ME unit will run in FMEM mode (Failure mode and effects management) causing reduced system efficiency. The Me unit will use the switching signal from the lambda sensor to return fuelling to lambda 1, storing the correction as a map agaisnt airflow. and add this correction to the fueling calc when operating at non closed loop conditions, ie WOT, fuel injector reenstatment (after overrun shut off, traction control intervention etc.) Now depending on how you drive and how sensative you are this may or may not be felt by the driver during certain manovevers. The throttle plate position will also learn the new airflow to maintain control of idle speed, but you may notice poor engine load rejection, ie turn on the aircon and the engine speed varries etc. or engine speed flares on starts or when operating PAS when parking.

However in all cases this will result in "incorrect" fueling. Now by "incorrect" i mean, not as the manufacturer intended. A post MAF leak will cause rich operation initially, but the adaptives will pull fuel out and become negative. This tends to cause a rich to lean spike on tip outs and other throttle transient. Now it is extremely diffucult for an untrained observer to spot these effects as they occur mainly on throttle transients, when the average drive may not notice. Therefore you could say "why do i care?". Well, any AFR excursion from the intended fuelling set by the manufacturer will result in non-standard engine operation. because of the adaptives this is unlikely to cause immediate engine problems, but over the course of time will change things like catalyst ageing, exhaust and turbo charger valve durability etc. Manufactures spend millions accruing miles on development fleets so hopefully the customers don't get landed with big bills as time goes on, and with most modern cars life'd at 150k miles (min design life) this is a big task.
It is unlikely that this will result in any performance loss, as at WOT the system is open loop, but you may see the result of an open circuit valve oas over fueling on gear changes etc. (a tell tail puff of black smoke is what you can see, a 1200 degC Catalyst is what you can't see, as excess fuel when injection reenstates and excess air from overrun shut off period combine in cat)

Now as you can see this is a seriously complicated subject and i haven't even mentioned the dreaded EOBD or OBDII words yet. Typically Bosch Me units have approximately 9000 calibratable parameters (constants, maps etc) and an engine calibration program will take a team of 8 calibration engineers 18 months to do the basic mapping and OBD validation. These days it's no problem to do the basic fuel and spark mapping, maybe 4 weeks on a midlimit engine on a dyno, but the diagnostics and emmisions devs takes years.

Moral or the story, before you start playing with something you don't understand, find someone who does!(And not just thinks they do!)

(for anyone thinking, "hey what makes me such an "expert" on this subject?" then i'd better mention the last 10 years i've spent as a senior calibration engineer at Cosworth and Prodrive!)

(sorry , another monster post!)

I couldn’t find the original post by max_torque so a copied this from another thread.:D
 

munkimafia

Active Member
May 20, 2008
63
0
Hi guys,
I am a newbie too, been having problems with power cut off after shifting in 2nd and 3rd, and someone recommended a new dump valve.
Is it easy to fit? Having absolutely no mechanical experience, due to driving fleet cars for years!
Cheers
 

sheffboy

avoiding potholes
May 25, 2007
655
1
Hi guys,
I am a newbie too, been having problems with power cut off after shifting in 2nd and 3rd, and someone recommended a new dump valve.
Is it easy to fit? Having absolutely no mechanical experience, due to driving fleet cars for years!
Cheers

It's so easy even i managed it without any problems. The hardest part is taking the factory fit hose clamps off but with a bit of effort and a pair of pliers it's a doodle.
 

traumapat

Leon Cupra IHI
Jul 24, 2005
5,925
4
sunny sussex
Hi guys,
I am a newbie too, been having problems with power cut off after shifting in 2nd and 3rd, and someone recommended a new dump valve.
Is it easy to fit? Having absolutely no mechanical experience, due to driving fleet cars for years!
Cheers

yes its easy. the forge 007p is a direct replacement fitting wise. if you havnt already got jubliee clips on the hoses youll need some.. unless you want to use the clips seat use, in which case theres a tool for it.
 

D.K

LCR 225
Oct 24, 2007
6,408
3
se london
If you go for a Forge Split-R it might be better to get it fitted as they can be a pain to set up.
But as the guys have said the oo7 is a direct fit.
Even if this dont cure your problem it's a mod worth doing as the O/E will fail sooner or later
 
when i got mine i was lookin for a dump valve that went woosh, but after reading on here decided to stear well clear of them so i got the 007p off my mate ibiza fr and never looked back, now just looking forward to getting the carbonio induction kit to give me the sound i desire.

oh and welcome to the site steff
xxx
 
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