Seat sales Down

[Damien84]

Just read the following story, it seems that the recent emmisons scandle has hit Seat more then the other manufacturers in the VW group. Any one got any ideas why I thought it would have hit VW more than the others?

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...ns-scandal-sees-VW-sales-drop-10-October.html

 

[villa chris]

my views on this are i think vw,skoda,seat etc are going to be in the limelight more than other manufacturers because of the emissions scandal.every car manufacturer have their ups and downs.there so much competition between other manufacturers now.listen yes vw ****ed up bigstyle and are going to pay big time financially but they are still the vw group and still make quality motors and have done as long as i can remember and it surely didnt stop me ordering my leon 2 weeks ago.

 

[stu_m]

with Ford and Vauxhall also seeing declines

so its not just VAG group who have sold less cars!

so it could just be that people aren't buying cars!

there's nothing in the news about any other company having record sales!!

is it just the media picking up on a decline in sales the could happen every year at this time of the year and making a story out of it?

 

[villa chris]

Totally agree.they are just more in the limelight at the mo and media etc will pick up on every little thing now like they always do.vw group are still 1 of the top manufacturers in the world fact.

 

[Briant566]

Sales Down

Totally agree.they are just more in the limelight at the mo and media etc will pick up on every little thing now like they always do.vw group are still 1 of the top manufacturers in the world fact.

Yes but if you look at the figures in detail Seat sales are down the most at 32% which I find strange as I would have thought VW had more diesel sales and was more in the Headlines.
It maybe that Seat sales were on a high with advertising and offers but have now dropped
The sad part is we that bought them will take a massive hit

 

[stu_m]

you can't go by a percentage!

if seat only sell 2 cars a year then one year only sell 1 the sales are down 50%

but if VW sell 100 cars a year but one year sell 99 they are only down by 1%

big difference but the same amount of cars less

its not relative but you get the idea

 

[Dr.Dash]

you can't go by a percentage!

Of course you can . That's exactly why percentages are useful, it allows you to make a relative comparison which is the where the interest lies, namely why would SEAT be more affected than VW or Audi, which was the original question?

Your issue with percentages has some merit in your example with only a tiny sample size. However, it's baseless in this real world case, SEAT sold about 3500 vehicles in October so that potential distortion just doesn't hold up.

Back to why the difference? Fleet buyers are nearly half the market, VW propped up that segment quickly, SEAT on the other hand have yet to give any indication that they'll follow suit which may account for a chunk of the difference?
A recent fleet study indicated 58% wouldn't purchase co2 affected vehicles without more information or pricing support.

 

[Curtly]

I get both your points. Both statistics being units or percentages make sense but ask completely different questions

 

[zondaff]

you can't go by a percentage!

if seat only sell 2 cars a year then one year only sell 1 the sales are down 50%

but if VW sell 100 cars a year but one year sell 99 they are only down by 1%

big difference but the same amount of cars less

its not relative but you get the idea

That

 

[kazand]

VW/Audi are big players in the fleet market, I work for a smallish company with a global parent company, our company fleet is dominated by VW/Audi products ( Golf, Passat, Audi A3, A4 & A6 ) I think there is only one Seat on the fleet, a Mk2 FR diesel that is a pool car.
My point is , if the majority of Seat purchasers are private buyers they are more likely to be put off by the emissions issue, hence the reason Seat could be suffering ( or appear to be) more. Company drivers in the main are not really concerned about fuel economy, emissions are only an issue because it affects how much BIK tax needs to be paid. When I chose my Passat , I had narrowed it down to a choice of that or a Skoda Superb, the Passat won because , at the time, it's CO² levels were lower meaning less tax for me.
Now the Passat is due for replacement, I'm again looking at both, and seeing which is going to cost me the least. I may go for a petrol Superb , if the BIK is lower over 3 years compared to a diesel.

 

[Dr.Dash]

VW/Audi are big players in the fleet market...
...My point is , if the majority of Seat purchasers are private buyers they are more likely to be put off by the emissions issue, hence the reason Seat could be suffering ( or appear to be) more.

There is probably a bit more lag in the fleet market? It's starting to bite as the logistics forecasters are now less bullish on residuals.

AstraZeneca have cancelled their VW Group fleet order and more will doubtless follow if they haven't already.

I drove past a SEAT dealer today, I've never seen so many unsold cars at a dealership . They don't appear to have enough space to store them.

Some good deals though, 65-plate 1.4 FR's ex-demo £15.5k, new well specced versions in the 17's etc. and those are asking prices.

 

[kazand]

There is probably a bit more lag in the fleet market? It's starting to bite as the logistics forecasters are now less bullish on residuals.

AstraZeneca have cancelled their VW Group fleet order and more will doubtless follow if they haven't already.

I drove past a SEAT dealer today, I've never seen so many unsold cars at a dealership . They don't appear to have enough space to store them.

Some good deals though, 65-plate 1.4 FR's ex-demo £15.5k, new well specced versions in the 17's etc. and those are asking prices.

No news from our fleet management on any blocking of VAG orders. ( parent company employees a few more than AstraZeneca) however our vehicles are not leased so maybe different.