Sfs performance 3" Tip

[Henjo24]

Price is what matters in these times! There both 3 tips so will
Have similar gains. It would be hilarious if sfs get the better gains when properly tested.

 

[chris c]

Depends on your definition of proper testing. I would say the margin between the 2 tips will be so small that you will never conclusively demonstrate which flows best. The margin of error will be greater than the difference between the 2

 

[Henjo24]

Immnot sure if this is true, but im heard on here an LCR owner got a 20bhp gain from bills 3 tip???

 

[Henjo24]

I can spell it's this chuffing phone lol

 

[seatcupramad23]

the test done by r tech was on v1 b5 tip which so not a fair test over a full 80mm one , but b5 v2 is now full 80mm so i would suspect it would be very similar gains

 

[sambryant]

The only thing that i dont agree on, the sfs dont have the turbo adaptor and cant see that normal silicone will flow as well. As bill said he could have made his tip 100% silicone but he desided that the adaptor flows better. I can see his point. As for flow rate i believe both mk1 and 2 will flow the same as they are both bigger than the turbo inlet and have no rescrictions. I just think sfs flow rates they claim are not true and they have made up a figure to help sell there product. I think bill should get his hands on the sfs tip and do a true review on it.

 

[KP2701]

The inside of silicone hose is smooth and we all use boost hoses that flow well, one question on b5 tip is how does the adaptor seal against the turbo inlet, is there a gasket? The tests were done by ***** if you look at the graph so to say they are made up by SFS is wrongand on an open forum I would say slander so be careful, if it's seen you could be in trouble. I think more tests could be done but guess it would be better by 3rd parties?

 

[seatcupramad23]

I can't see how they re can be much difference in both tips to be honest both 80 mm , only reason I'm swayed to get sfs tip over b5 tip is down to colour which is shallow I no but kawaski green tip will be sweet

The only thing that i dont agree on, the sfs dont have the turbo adaptor and cant see that normal silicone will flow as well. As bill said he could have made his tip 100% silicone but he desided that the adaptor flows better. I can see his point. As for flow rate i believe both mk1 and 2 will flow the same as they are both bigger than the turbo inlet and have no rescrictions. I just think sfs flow rates they claim are not true and they have made up a figure to help sell there product. I think bill should get his hands on the sfs tip and do a true review on it.

Sam would sadly have disagree I have spoken to r tech which confirmed these figures but as said that was a v1 b5 tip against sfs 80 mm tip so not a fair test as bill now also as a full 80 mm kit

 

[sambryant]

The inside of silicone hose is smooth and we all use boost hoses that flow well, one question on b5 tip is how does the adaptor seal against the turbo inlet, is there a gasket? The tests were done by ***** if you look at the graph so to say they are made up by SFS is wrongand on an open forum I would say slander so be careful, if it's seen you could be in trouble. I think more tests could be done but guess it would be better by 3rd parties?

please show me the air flow on this graph, i cant find it !!!

Sam would sadly have disagree I have spoken to r tech which confirmed these figures but as said that was a v1 b5 tip against sfs 80 mm tip so not a fair test as bill now also as a full 80 mm kit

im not looking at overall power figures as i know that power runs are never consistant, and some times power can go 5bhp above and 5 bhp below(temps ect depending). its air flow logs i want to see. all we have is sfs saying are tip makes 2gs more than b5 tip. so if the sfs tip flows 235gs why is the car only making 282bhp. the airflow to power doesnt match up.

 

[Henjo24]

Let's all be honest and say the owners who have the badger 5 tip think that nothing will ever beat bills tip! If Sam & others had the sfs tip they would say the sfs tip
Was the dogs nuts and could not be beaten. When my new 3 sfs tip arrives I'll
Have the best 3 tip

 

[ReDBull]

Let's all be honest and say the owners who have the badger 5 tip think that nothing will ever beat bills tip! If Sam & others had the sfs tip they would say the sfs tip
Was the dogs nuts and could not be beaten. When my new 3 sfs tip arrives I'll
Have the best 3 tip

No I think the owners of the B5 TIP are saying they bought the TIP for a reason. That it was/is the best product available. We can say that with confidence through our own antidotal evedance and the many graphs and charts that have been produced on the B5 TIP.
So far there is not enough evidence to prove the SFS product. How many have yet reached there owners? Already there's willy waving going on and nahnahnnahnah mines better than yours.
The way SFS has gone about this is all wrong. They should have launched their product in it's own right not attached someone elses. That's what has pissed people off and would put me off buying anything from them. Regardless of price and colour!

 

[KatCowie]

Derek doesn't care about gains, he just wants the colour! lol. I have a Badger5 V1 TIP and LOVE IT. No way Im changing mine. Surely the tapered end on the SFS one would be a bit of a restriction to airflow?

I am getting my car on the rollers tomorrow, to see what difference the Badger5 TIP has made. Before I had 274lb/ft and 245bhp, will be interesting to see what it makes now. I shall report back!

Honestly, any TIP is better than the standard one, so anyone who changes it has done the right thing, be it an SFS or Badger5 one!

 

[Deleted member 35798]

Quote from Nick @ R Tech

"The aim of the/design of SFS tip was to make more midrange power not peak bhp/ flow gain. The is no evidence saying this tip will make more PEAK power vs the other TIPs on the market, at this stage of tune its about the same but the other tips could flow better at the top end when going 285+bhp or hybrid turbo

If your looking for peak power over 285+bhp or going hybrid turbo then from what I have seen the Badger5 v1 has proven numbers and I have tuned many cars with B5 V1 tip fitted.

If your only looking at spec1/ spec2 power 280bhp then from my testing the SFS is a very good investment IMO.

The main gain from the SFS tip is the turbo spooling and air speed, this allows the turbo to spool and draw more air faster from lower rpm which resulted in peak gains of 16lbft."

I think SFS's marketing people have just got a bit carried away on this one.

The idea of the tapered end was to semi accelerate air in to the turbo I believe.

 

[chris c]

I think you'll find the idea of the tapered end was to do away with the billet adapter and reduce the cost! Whether it's better or worse is open to debate

 

[Deleted member 35798]

I think you'll find the idea of the tapered end was to do away with the billet adapter and reduce the cost! Whether it's better or worse is open to debate

Who told you that? SFS?

 

[traumapat]

The way SFS has gone about this is all wrong. They should have launched their product in it's own right not attached someone elses. That's what has pissed people off and would put me off buying anything from them. Regardless of price and colour!

Totaly agree with that, they shouldnt have even mentioned anyone elses product.

 

[Deleted member 35798]

I'm not defending the way they went about it, but from looking at boths sides of the coin I can sort of see why.

They have realised a product in to a market which until recently was dominated by Badger5, so when this new product comes out people are going to ask "well why should I buy SFS over Badger5?". As there is only one rival at the moment (Badger5) then I can see why they would feel the need to prove that their product is "better".

As Nick said though, both are good products with different characteristics depending on what you are looking for.

 

[seatcupramad23]

Totaly agree with that, they shouldnt have even mentioned anyone elses product.

agreed with that statement , the marketing is all wrong , they should of just tested it againt a standard tip , price of there tip would want people buy it anyway without trying to take on bill (which no doubt does alot more testing on 1.8t cars than them) but i now feel like a hypocrit cause i'm getting one when i get paid the price and colour choice is just too hard to ignore

 

[sambryant]

Quote from Nick @ R Tech

"The aim of the/design of SFS tip was to make more midrange power not peak bhp/ flow gain. The is no evidence saying this tip will make more PEAK power vs the other TIPs on the market, at this stage of tune its about the same but the other tips could flow better at the top end when going 285+bhp or hybrid turbo

If your looking for peak power over 285+bhp or going hybrid turbo then from what I have seen the Badger5 v1 has proven numbers and I have tuned many cars with B5 V1 tip fitted.

If your only looking at spec1/ spec2 power 280bhp then from my testing the SFS is a very good investment IMO.

The main gain from the SFS tip is the turbo spooling and air speed, this allows the turbo to spool and draw more air faster from lower rpm which resulted in peak gains of 16lbft."

I think SFS's marketing people have just got a bit carried away on this one.

The idea of the tapered end was to semi accelerate air in to the turbo I believe.

So from this they are saying the mk1 b5 tip is better for higher airflows and better for hybrid? If so why do they say it out flows the b5 tip. I like the fact that the sfs tip can flow 235 gs and there aim is midrange power thats mad

 

[Deleted member 35798]

R Tech never said the SFS could flow 235g/s, this is a figure SFS have picked up on another forum and misinterpreted. Infact I'm pretty sure that the 235g/s was a one off reading on a de-screened MAF with the Badger5 V1 TIP.

But from discussions I've had the B5 flows better at the top end, SFS is better mid-range.