So, what's wrong with this graph?

[Feel]

003, 115, 188 and 031 If you can, log them separately. Fourth gear from off-boost (40mph, dunno what kph) up to the red line.

 

[DPJ]

003, 115, 188 and 031 If you can, log them separately. Fourth gear from off-boost (40mph, dunno what kph) up to the red line.

He meant 118.

 

[Feel]

You're right, I did.

 

[v-g]

Ok, my alien-ness is showing.

What does "Fourth gear from off-boost" mean? Can I start in 1st and get up to speed, put in 4th and start logging when I'm not reading any boost?

But 40mph/64kph is fast! I don't think the blue lights would like to see me going in 4th up to the red line! And I will need 4 runs like that! Shite!

Is it easier to read if they're logged separately?

And 4th is better than 3rd, is it so?

 

[v-g]

He meant 118.

I actually understood that, wow!

 

[andycupra]

Ok, my alien-ness is showing.

What does "Fourth gear from off-boost" mean? Can I start in 1st and get up to speed, put in 4th and start logging when I'm not reading any boost?

But 40mph/64kph is fast! I don't think the blue lights would like to see me going in 4th up to the red line! And I will need 4 runs like that! Shite!

Is it easier to read if they're logged separately?

And 4th is better than 3rd, is it so?

yes thats what they meant.

4th gear would be better and give a more detialed log as the run is longer. However 3rd will be ok for this.

 

[Feel]

@ alien-ness. I typed it and I wasn't sure it was clear enough.

4th gear is best because it loads up the engine and gets it to make more boost. 3rd is a waste of time. Logging one group at one gives more data points.

Unfortunately yes, top speed is quite high.

Yes, just get up to about 60kph, in fourth this is about 2,500rpm, so "off-boost" - your turbos not really spun up. Start logging if you've not done already (it's easier and safer to start logging before you drive and find where you floored it later. You can use "markers" in vag-com). Plant your foot on the floor and keep it there.

 

[v-g]

Thanks all!

Now I need to find me a straight, flat, empty and cop less road.

 

[v-g]

How the hell can this make ANY sense?!?

The following is just a test from yesterday.

Sunday,30,September,2007,19:02:15
06A 906 032 T,,1.8L R4/5VT G 0003,

,Group A:,'115,,,,Group B:,'118,,,,Group C:,'003
,,Engine Speed,Engine Load,Charge Pressure,Charge Pressure,,Engine Speed,Intake Air,Charge Pressure,Charge Pressure,,Engine Speed,Intake Air Mass,Throttle Drive,Ignition
,TIME,,,(specified Value),(actual Value),TIME,,Temperature,Solenoid Valve,(actual Value),TIME,,,Angle Sensor 1,Timing Angle
Marker,STAMP, /min, %, mbar, mbar,STAMP, /min,°C, %, mbar,STAMP, /min, g/s, %, °BTDC
,0.59,960,12.8,990.0,1010.0,0.00,1000,61.0,0.0,1010.0,0.30,960,2.47,2.0,-1.5
,1.50,1080,63.9,1270.0,1040.0,0.90,960,61.0,100.0,1000.0,1.20,1040,12.94,55.3,9.0
,2.40,1280,68.4,1320.0,1120.0,1.80,1160,60.0,100.0,1060.0,2.10,1200,16.17,68.6,9.0
,3.30,1480,72.2,1370.0,1210.0,2.70,1360,60.0,100.0,1150.0,3.00,1440,20.92,79.6,6.8
,4.20,1720,77.4,1840.0,1300.0,3.60,1560,59.0,100.0,1240.0,3.90,1640,24.75,92.5,12.8
,5.10,2000,83.5,2280.0,1420.0,4.50,1800,59.0,100.0,1330.0,4.80,1920,30.61,100.0,6.8
,6.00,2320,97.7,2300.0,1620.0,5.40,2120,59.0,100.0,1470.0,5.70,2200,41.50,100.0,6.8
,6.90,2720,121.1,2300.0,2020.0,6.30,2440,59.0,100.0,1730.0,6.60,2560,58.36,100.0,6.0
,7.80,3160,146.6,2300.0,2460.0,7.20,2840,61.0,83.1,2170.0,7.50,3000,83.22,100.0,6.0
,8.69,3640,180.5,2270.0,2360.0,8.10,3320,62.0,79.2,2500.0,8.40,3480,99.31,100.0,4.5
,9.60,4080,176.7,2240.0,2310.0,9.00,3800,63.0,77.3,2340.0,9.30,3920,110.86,100.0,2.3
,10.49,4440,175.9,2130.0,2280.0,9.89,4200,66.0,78.8,2310.0,10.19,4320,115.58,100.0,5.3
,11.40,4840,169.9,2020.0,2160.0,10.79,4600,67.0,85.5,2230.0,11.09,4720,120.72,100.0,6.0
,12.29,5160,162.4,1890.0,2040.0,11.69,4920,69.0,93.3,2120.0,11.99,5040,123.36,100.0,8.3
,13.20,5440,152.6,1780.0,1950.0,12.60,5240,71.0,83.9,2000.0,12.90,5360,127.11,100.0,12.8
,14.10,5720,140.6,1690.0,1820.0,13.50,5560,72.0,73.7,1920.0,13.80,5640,124.61,100.0,12.0
,15.00,6000,132.3,1630.0,1730.0,14.40,5800,75.0,69.0,1780.0,14.70,5920,122.28,100.0,14.3
,15.90,6120,10.5,990.0,1360.0,15.30,6080,75.0,66.7,1690.0,15.60,6120,121.61,99.2,15.0
,16.80,5480,9.0,990.0,1060.0,16.20,5880,72.0,0.0,1160.0,16.50,5680,29.58,7.1,24.0
,17.69,4920,13.5,990.0,1070.0,17.10,5320,69.0,0.0,1050.0,17.39,5120,16.39,7.1,15.0
,18.59,4280,9.0,990.0,1090.0,17.99,4720,68.0,0.0,1080.0,18.29,4520,8.31,6.7,3.0
,19.49,3280,7.5,990.0,1080.0,18.89,4000,67.0,0.0,1090.0,19.19,3640,7.11,5.9,3.8
,20.39,2200,14.3,990.0,1050.0,19.79,2920,66.0,0.0,1070.0,20.09,2560,6.42,4.3,3.8
,21.29,1360,13.5,990.0,1030.0,20.69,1880,66.0,0.0,1050.0,20.99,1560,1.14,2.4,-0.8
,22.21,960,15.0,990.0,1020.0,21.59,1200,64.0,0.0,1030.0,21.89,1080,3.81,2.4,0.0
,23.09,720,15.0,990.0,1010.0,22.49,840,64.0,0.0,1020.0,22.78,760,2.14,1.6,6.8
,23.98,760,15.8,990.0,1010.0,23.38,720,64.0,0.0,1010.0,23.68,760,2.47,2.0,7.5
,24.88,720,15.8,990.0,1010.0,24.28,760,64.0,0.0,1010.0,24.58,720,2.28,2.0,9.0

 

[Feel]

It's a bit hard to read (you can post it in [*code*][*/code*] blocks [take the *'s out])

How the hell can this make ANY sense?!?

The following is just a test from yesterday.

Sunday,30,September,2007,19:02:15
06A 906 032 T,,1.8L R4/5VT     G   0003,

,Group A:,'115,,,,Group B:,'118,,,,Group C:,'003
,,Engine Speed,Engine Load,Charge Pressure,Charge Pressure,,Engine Speed,Intake Air,Charge Pressure,Charge Pressure,,Engine Speed,Intake Air Mass,Throttle Drive,Ignition
,TIME,,,(specified Value),(actual Value),TIME,,Temperature,Solenoid Valve,(actual Value),TIME,,,Angle Sensor 1,Timing Angle
Marker,STAMP, /min, %, mbar, mbar,STAMP, /min,°C, %, mbar,STAMP, /min, g/s, %, °BTDC
,0.59,960,12.8,990.0,1010.0,0.00,1000,61.0,0.0,1010.0,0.30,960,2.47,2.0,-1.5
,1.50,1080,63.9,1270.0,1040.0,0.90,960,61.0,100.0,1000.0,1.20,1040,12.94,55.3,9.0
,2.40,1280,68.4,1320.0,1120.0,1.80,1160,60.0,100.0,1060.0,2.10,1200,16.17,68.6,9.0
,3.30,1480,72.2,1370.0,1210.0,2.70,1360,60.0,100.0,1150.0,3.00,1440,20.92,79.6,6.8
,4.20,1720,77.4,1840.0,1300.0,3.60,1560,59.0,100.0,1240.0,3.90,1640,24.75,92.5,12.8
,5.10,2000,83.5,2280.0,1420.0,4.50,1800,59.0,100.0,1330.0,4.80,1920,30.61,100.0,6.8
,6.00,2320,97.7,2300.0,1620.0,5.40,2120,59.0,100.0,1470.0,5.70,2200,41.50,100.0,6.8
,6.90,2720,121.1,2300.0,2020.0,6.30,2440,59.0,100.0,1730.0,6.60,2560,58.36,100.0,6.0
,7.80,3160,146.6,2300.0,2460.0,7.20,2840,61.0,83.1,2170.0,7.50,3000,83.22,100.0,6.0
,8.69,3640,180.5,2270.0,2360.0,8.10,3320,62.0,79.2,2500.0,8.40,3480,99.31,100.0,4.5
,9.60,4080,176.7,2240.0,2310.0,9.00,3800,63.0,77.3,2340.0,9.30,3920,110.86,100.0,2.3
,10.49,4440,175.9,2130.0,2280.0,9.89,4200,66.0,78.8,2310.0,10.19,4320,115.58,100.0,5.3
,11.40,4840,169.9,2020.0,2160.0,10.79,4600,67.0,85.5,2230.0,11.09,4720,120.72,100.0,6.0
,12.29,5160,162.4,1890.0,2040.0,11.69,4920,69.0,93.3,2120.0,11.99,5040,123.36,100.0,8.3
,13.20,5440,152.6,1780.0,1950.0,12.60,5240,71.0,83.9,2000.0,12.90,5360,127.11,100.0,12.8
,14.10,5720,140.6,1690.0,1820.0,13.50,5560,72.0,73.7,1920.0,13.80,5640,124.61,100.0,12.0
,15.00,6000,132.3,1630.0,1730.0,14.40,5800,75.0,69.0,1780.0,14.70,5920,122.28,100.0,14.3
,15.90,6120,10.5,990.0,1360.0,15.30,6080,75.0,66.7,1690.0,15.60,6120,121.61,99.2,15.0
,16.80,5480,9.0,990.0,1060.0,16.20,5880,72.0,0.0,1160.0,16.50,5680,29.58,7.1,24.0
,17.69,4920,13.5,990.0,1070.0,17.10,5320,69.0,0.0,1050.0,17.39,5120,16.39,7.1,15.0
,18.59,4280,9.0,990.0,1090.0,17.99,4720,68.0,0.0,1080.0,18.29,4520,8.31,6.7,3.0
,19.49,3280,7.5,990.0,1080.0,18.89,4000,67.0,0.0,1090.0,19.19,3640,7.11,5.9,3.8
,20.39,2200,14.3,990.0,1050.0,19.79,2920,66.0,0.0,1070.0,20.09,2560,6.42,4.3,3.8
,21.29,1360,13.5,990.0,1030.0,20.69,1880,66.0,0.0,1050.0,20.99,1560,1.14,2.4,-0.8
,22.21,960,15.0,990.0,1020.0,21.59,1200,64.0,0.0,1030.0,21.89,1080,3.81,2.4,0.0
,23.09,720,15.0,990.0,1010.0,22.49,840,64.0,0.0,1020.0,22.78,760,2.14,1.6,6.8
,23.98,760,15.8,990.0,1010.0,23.38,720,64.0,0.0,1010.0,23.68,760,2.47,2.0,7.5
,24.88,720,15.8,990.0,1010.0,24.28,760,64.0,0.0,1010.0,24.58,720,2.28,2.0,9.0

But it's definitely hitting 1.5 bar of boost, if only briefly. I'm not sure what a K03S flows off the top of my head, but I would think your MAF is low. Certainly not 210bhp...

 

[v-g]

It's a bit hard to read (you can post it in [*code*][*/code*] blocks [take the *'s out])



But it's definitely hitting 1.5 bar of boost, if only briefly. I'm not sure what a K03S flows off the top of my head, but I would think your MAF is low. Certainly not 210bhp...

You can tell that from that bunch of numbers!
Where do you look to figure out bhp?

How can a MAF be low? Low as in almost defect soon to be gone?

Btw, I don't have a K03S, only K03.

 

[Feel]

You get used to it

From what I understand, MAFs often start to return low figures before they fail. Better not jump to conclusions though:

I don't know what k03 flows - a search would tell you. From what I can see, your's pulls 127 g/sec max. 210bhp would be more like 160-170 g/sec I think.

 

[DPJ]

Yes, poorly MAF. Your car has definitely been remapped.

 

[v-g]

Yes, poorly MAF. Your car has definitely been remapped.

Very scary. The car's bought from an authorized SEAT dealer.

 

[v-g]

Let's say it's been remapped, shouldn't it give more power than it seems to have?

Phil says "210bhp would be more like 160-170 g/sec." Could this have something to do with the numbers I've posted coming from an acceleration and not a 4th gear run?

I don't see a 4th gear run being possible, I mean, the speed is picking up so much faster than the revs. Redline must be around 200km/h or so!