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T.i.p

Mar 29, 2007
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Its not just the fact the standard one can callapse under pressure tho, the standard metal bracket that connects the top half of the TIP to the turbo flange is stupidy restrictive its squashed like a pancake!..........well it is on the AUQ 180 engine with the KO3s I'm not sure if its the same on the R with the KO4
Yeah, I think the K04 doesn't have this issue...
 
Aug 24, 2007
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Im sooo waiting to fit my TIP :D. Got it delivered today but no time yet. But im visiting JKM garage on thursday and i may be tempted to ask them to do that. Is it hard to fit ? How much time u guys reckon i may need to do that? I've read somewhere that TIP on a remapped car can give up to 10hp o_O. True?

If you can get the LC up on axle stands and have a mate to help wriggle the TIP into place it could be done in an hour Greesha :D

On your own its a pain in the arse:doh:

With the P-torque map already on the car I saw precisely 0Bhp gained with the t.i.p, just more noise.
 
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Aug 24, 2007
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I'm not entirely convinced by that video. People often cite it but just because it has been shown that it CAN happen doesn't mean it actually will. As for gains with a TIP? Again I think it's unlikely to yield much if anything at all.


I've said before, that video looks like the feed to the airbox is causing the restriction or is even blocked.

Conspiracy theory anyone :duck:
 
Mar 29, 2007
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I have a feeling from everything I've read so far on here and other places that a silicone TIP really isn't necessary.

Forge say it is to prevent collapse, which I first thought meant failure, but what they really mean is the hose is squeezed under the pressure, which as said above could be due to a restrictive air filter not bringing enough air through.

If there is no increase in power resulting from changing the TIP it must mean that the original hose is not restrictive in any way. I haven't heard of TIPs failing in the same way as the Bosch DV so changing one on ground of longevity seems a bit weak as well.

To me it almost sounds as if it's one of those things that people do to their cars from hearsay alone. I would probably do it if going to a stage 2 or 3 remap where I would be changing lots of other parts, but I'm not so sure I'd bother on my stage 1. If the hose split then of course, but at the moment I can't see any compelling reason to change it.

I might have a chat with the VAG guys who remapped my car when I go back in the summer for my service, but I've had no problems with my car since remapped so far.
 
Mar 26, 2007
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I have a feeling from everything I've read so far on here and other places that a silicone TIP really isn't necessary.

Forge say it is to prevent collapse, which I first thought meant failure, but what they really mean is the hose is squeezed under the pressure, which as said above could be due to a restrictive air filter not bringing enough air through.

If there is no increase in power resulting from changing the TIP it must mean that the original hose is not restrictive in any way. I haven't heard of TIPs failing in the same way as the Bosch DV so changing one on ground of longevity seems a bit weak as well.

To me it almost sounds as if it's one of those things that people do to their cars from hearsay alone. I would probably do it if going to a stage 2 or 3 remap where I would be changing lots of other parts, but I'm not so sure I'd bother on my stage 1. If the hose split then of course, but at the moment I can't see any compelling reason to change it.

I might have a chat with the VAG guys who remapped my car when I go back in the summer for my service, but I've had no problems with my car since remapped so far.

I just wanted a blue hose to tart up my engine bay :shrug:

:D
 

Nautilus

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Dec 9, 2006
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1. TIPs do not "give" hp, they release the hp otherwise wasted by giving the turbo a larger opening to suck through. Lower half of the factory TIP, made of metal, is squashed at the middle, having less than half of the section area of the Forge TIP

2. Upper half of the factory TIP, made from soft and heat-vulnerable rubber, may crack at the DV or PCV or N75 fittings

3. After fitting my Forge TIP (I already had larger pipe to airbox), turbo spooled a bit quicker and the engine gave the sensation of "free breathing". It might have produced 0 hp more, but the driving quality improved

4. Noise does not increase. On the contrary, after remap, large air intake pipe, large TIP, 3" downpipe etc but still with factory cat-back, engine sound had diminished. Now it sounds at 4000rpm like it did at 2000rpm previously and below 3000rpm is nearly silent. From 4000-6000rpm is makes a deep pleasant rumble like a small V8. Mark my words, in case of a 1.8T harsh engine noise associated with chavved-up cars and boy-racers is 99% dependent on cat-back exhaust, and if an aftermarket exhaust does not provide a strong hp increase it's not worth the money and noise

~Nautilus
 
Mar 29, 2007
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1. TIPs do not "give" hp, they release the hp otherwise wasted by giving the turbo a larger opening to suck through. Lower half of the factory TIP, made of metal, is squashed at the middle, having less than half of the section area of the Forge TIP

2. Upper half of the factory TIP, made from soft and heat-vulnerable rubber, may crack at the DV or PCV or N75 fittings

3. After fitting my Forge TIP (I already had larger pipe to airbox), turbo spooled a bit quicker and the engine gave the sensation of "free breathing". It might have produced 0 hp more, but the driving quality improved

4. Noise does not increase. On the contrary, after remap, large air intake pipe, large TIP, 3" downpipe etc but still with factory cat-back, engine sound had diminished. Now it sounds at 4000rpm like it did at 2000rpm previously and below 3000rpm is nearly silent. From 4000-6000rpm is makes a deep pleasant rumble like a small V8. Mark my words, in case of a 1.8T harsh engine noise associated with chavved-up cars and boy-racers is 99% dependent on cat-back exhaust, and if an aftermarket exhaust does not provide a strong hp increase it's not worth the money and noise

~Nautilus

I believe the Cupra/FR that you have has a different TIP to the LCR
 

Ronin225

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Jan 17, 2008
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Already had it happen standard TIP split 80 to 90% of the way round causing limp mode after intially boosting.
TIP replaced under warranty by SEAT then replaced for a forge one by me
Car was only just over 2 years old at that point.
I remember Nev had a split in his when he replaced it not as big though
Proof LCR standard TIPs do fail and both cars were running stock maps too
 
Mar 29, 2007
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Ah thats not good. Anything failing in front of the turbo isn't a good thing in my opinion. I was also speaking to Leigh@CC and he said he had an S3 on a RR where the TIP was collapsing, so it might be worthwhile changing. I think I would prefer to have it replaced if they are actually prone to failure as I don't want any expensive turbo damage.
 
Mar 29, 2007
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If I do decide to replace the TIP (still need to chat to my garage) would you guys reckon the THS one is on a par with the Forge item? I think its about £90 for THS and £120 for Forge...
 
Mar 29, 2007
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I'm hoping this will be my last mod beyond changing things are they wear out - but you never know LOL

I'm happy with the OE brakes and suspension; with the new dbm and brace it seems to feel much more taut. Just need to get some Ferrodo DS2500s at the next pad change! :)