t0m's LCR AmD Stage 2 - Turini's, Wavetrac LSD, Recaro's..

[t0m]

p.s I will be posting up an image of my graph shortly if my photobucket account decides to work today..

 

[jonjay]

Thanks Maz

Certainly a day for me to be happy with the car. Really makes me want to 'complete' the car now. ARB's, strut braces, full supepro bushing and then an LSD thanks to you and Roger!!!

Your car looked impeccable as always mate, really does get the attention at meets. Hats off to you.

I must get mine detailed soon.

Your too kind mate!

You will love the diff, everyone does.

 

[t0m]

Your too kind mate!

You will love the diff, everyone does.

I hope I get to the point where I can splash on a diff for mine! They sound epic matey

 

[t0m]

Dyno graph added

Right, obviously the car is running alot of power and I have slight concerns over stock rods and this much torque, but please can I have comments from anyone who can provide constructive feedback on these for me:

 

[ibizacupra]

was physical boost plotted at all?

 

[t0m]

was physical boost plotted at all?

I presume not as it's not mentioned on the graph anywhere. The car has been logged making 23/24 psi using vag-com on 4th gear runs before and as far as I know that was PRE 3" TIP.

 

[ibizacupra]

Thanks for the reply Bill

In terms of logs, I will try to get these as soon as I can and post them up. I think quite a few people want to see what the TIP is doing airflow wise on standard k04 with a stage 2 map.

The TIP is great yes, very pleased

If these figures are true, then I too do fear a bit for my rods I will admit. What route would you take if these are? Uprate rods first of all? Injectors? 4 bar FPR? Am still running oem 3 bar.. Would just like some advice as what preventions to take if any at this stage.

Whether the rollers are accurate or not can be talked about allday as you know, but like for like gains, it proves the 3" TIP has gained me approx 17bhp and torque up from 307 to 330 (+23 lb/ft) so I think it counts when you look at the top end torque for sure. That's where I've noticed it on the road without a doubt, pulls alot harder noticeably 4th gear up.

I would gladly bring my car to you if you we're closer! If someone pays for the petrol I will come down this week to get it rolled and for you to have a look at

Cheers for the post
Tom

things of interest would be block 002 readings so injector ms is logged, from which duty cycle can be calculated... so for eg if its >19ms over 6krpms for example they would be >100% duty cycle.. which is flat out..
logging 031 fueling with the above in mind would be good, and 001, showing the lambda adjust requried to achieve its requested fueling... If they were max'd I would expect it to go leaner on 031 than request and watch 001 increase in +ve % as it tries to add fuel.. (which it wont be able to if the injectors are max'd)
4bar or larger injectors with map adjust to suit if so.
003 log for timing overall, with 020 for CF pull and 118 for actual boost and induction temps and n75 duty cycle, and 112, 031, 118 to see your egt's sky rocket into the 900's where it will want to fuel dump... Remembering if its max'd on injector duty cycle, 112 egt protection wanting to fuel dump wont be able to dump anything if there's nothing left to deliver..

remember when logging boost via vagcom can only show you the map sensors max which is 2550mb, 1.5bar boost, so if you see this on a log you may be higher... but without a real gauge on it you wont know by how much.. and whether its worrying level of boost/hence torque at that point.

hope this helps

 

[ibizacupra]

I presume not as it's not mentioned on the graph anywhere. The car has been logged making 23/24 psi using vag-com on 4th gear runs before and as far as I know that was PRE 3" TIP.

its impossible to read >21.75psi boost via vagcom..
Map sensor is max'd at 2550mb which is 21.75psi boost

All you know is its reading a "minimum" of 21.75psi where vagcom reads 2550mb when logging. A real gauge will confirm by how far over it is..

too much and I would be very nervous of my rods..

Seen 2 225 cars in the last week, which thought they ran 22psi max cos thats what Liqui/vag-com told em.. Reality was 27psi on one and 26psi on the other! EAK!

Given your peak torque is 3500rpm thats where I would expect yours to have a spike of boost - peak loads on rods at this point.
check with a pressure gauge.. I think you will need a 0-30psi gauge too!

 

[t0m]

things of interest would be block 002 readings so injector ms is logged, from which duty cycle can be calculated... so for eg if its >19ms over 6krpms for example they would be >100% duty cycle.. which is flat out..
logging 031 fueling with the above in mind would be good, and 001, showing the lambda adjust requried to achieve its requested fueling... If they were max'd I would expect it to go leaner on 031 than request and watch 001 increase in +ve % as it tries to add fuel.. (which it wont be able to if the injectors are max'd)
4bar or larger injectors with map adjust to suit if so.
003 log for timing overall, with 020 for CF pull and 118 for actual boost and induction temps and n75 duty cycle, and 112, 031, 118 to see your egt's sky rocket into the 900's where it will want to fuel dump... Remembering if its max'd on injector duty cycle, 112 egt protection wanting to fuel dump wont be able to dump anything if there's nothing left to deliver..

remember when logging boost via vagcom can only show you the map sensors max which is 2550mb, 1.5bar boost, so if you see this on a log you may be higher... but without a real gauge on it you wont know by how much.. and whether its worrying level of boost/hence torque at that point.

hope this helps

its impossible to read >21.75psi boost via vagcom..
Map sensor is max'd at 2550mb which is 21.75psi boost

All you know is its reading a "minimum" of 21.75psi where vagcom reads 2550mb when logging. A real gauge will confirm by how far over it is..

too much and I would be very nervous of my rods..

Seen 2 225 cars in the last week, which thought they ran 22psi max cos thats what Liqui/vag-com told em.. Reality was 27psi on one and 26psi on the other! EAK!

Given your peak torque is 3500rpm thats where I would expect yours to have a spike of boost - peak loads on rods at this point.
check with a pressure gauge.. I think you will need a 0-30psi gauge too!

Ah ok I understand now while using vag-com that it can't be showing us true boost figures.... I better get the gauge sorted asap then!

I really don't want to find out it's boosting to 26/27psi, isn't that RED spring territory on a 007p!!!!??

Thanks for your in depth post Bill. Really appreciate it! I'm trying to get my head round it all to be quite honest.. Never expected the car to pull this hard, your TIP is to blame

Only joking

What boost would you consider safe to be running??

I'll get my gauge sorted soon as I can and do some logs for airflow of the TIP to post back up soon as I can.

In the meantime, I think I'll be careful not to be booting the car too often until I can see actual boost......

Cheers again. Hopefully I can come back to this thread with some findings asap.

 

[tom0311]

Sounds like too much of a good thing Tom go easy until you know what you're dealing with boost wise, a good excuse to get the boost gauge in a bit quicker!

 

[tdi_chris1]

haha better figures than brad then? lol jokes

 

[t0m]

Sounds like too much of a good thing Tom go easy until you know what you're dealing with boost wise, a good excuse to get the boost gauge in a bit quicker!

Gauge will be in soon mate
I'm not going mad in it for a while now, I like having the power there but don't go doing £20 of v-power a day just for the sake of it. As fun as it would be... lol.

haha better figures than brad then? lol jokes

Haha, yep! His is making great power too though.

 

[tdi_chris1]

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Haha, yep! His is making great power too though.[/QUOTE]

yeh his is great powerwise i dont like to tell him that but is good going, but i know he thought he was bigger figures than yours haha.

Ali told me you liked our 'VXR THIS!' stickers haha

 

[t0m]

Haha, yep! His is making great power too though.

yeh his is great powerwise i dont like to tell him that but is good going, but i know he thought he was bigger figures than yours haha.

Ali told me you liked our 'VXR THIS!' stickers haha[/QUOTE]

well he wasn't quite upto the magical 300bhp just yet

Who's Ali? We're you at the RR day on Sunday? I spoke to Brad and think he was with his mate Karl in a blue TDi Cupra.

 

[brad1]

I'm am gutted not to hit 300bhp, closest I have been is 296.8bhp. 300bhp will be achieved soon and then it will be a nice garrett under the bonnet

 

[t0m]

I'm am gutted not to hit 300bhp, closest I have been is 296.8bhp. 300bhp will be achieved soon and then it will be a nice garrett under the bonnet

Don't be gutted mate, 296bhp is still a brilliant figure to achieve...
But when you go Garrett I'm just going to buy and buy a K1
Although I might not yet because Jonjay and roger(slick) have talked me into wanting an LSD really badly now...

 

[D.K]

Theres more to come Tom

 

[t0m]

^^^ Loving it mate! Saw them on facebook, great pics so far

 

[tom0311]

That pic is badass, awesome

 

[t0m]

That pic is badass, awesome

I agree

Credit goes to DK though!! He's getting handy with the camera of his.