VW massaging emission figures

donkas

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Aug 30, 2012
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The way I see it is that the only way we will be out of pocket, will be in the fuel and time used to get to the dealer for the fix, and any potential drop in value of the vehicle now that VW group cars have been slightly tarnished by this issue. Saying that the Exeo never really held its value as well as the other VW group cars, and I plan on keeping mine until it will be worth very little anyway, so that wont impact me.

It seems that VW new car sales have dropped since the scandal was brought to attention, I read something like 10% down for VW, 3% down for Skoda, and around 32% down for Seat, so currently the main losers in all of this is VW.

The only people who should be out of pocket in this are VAG. This is all their doing by effectively lying to their customers and the regulators. I'm contacting Seat directly with some questions about the direction they are taking and what options are open to the car owner and I'll be making it clear that I will pursue legal action if I feel they will not be dealing with this effectively.
 

mastepa1

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Yea or a couple years servicing . Would be an acceptable way out for them and a bonus for all.

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mastepa1

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Mrski1

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Is that a list of the cars being tested in Germany? I bet VW are hoping that some more brands can be pulled into this to take the heat off of them!
 

Cornishgreg

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In the space of 10 minutes have seen a news story talking about VW giving dealers £1500 to entice customers to trade up/out of existing VW, and then get an email from my SEAT dealer with an invitation to 'special' weekend with extra offers etc.

Coincidence?
 

Mrski1

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In the space of 10 minutes have seen a news story talking about VW giving dealers £1500 to entice customers to trade up/out of existing VW, and then get an email from my SEAT dealer with an invitation to 'special' weekend with extra offers etc.

Coincidence?

I believe that has been done in an attempt to stop the slide of sales from the VW group.

There are now rumours that VW are offering to buy back any of the 2016 cars where the CO2 figures have been underestimated. As for the older cars, they are still debating as to whether they have actually done anything wrong, as the EU rules appear to have a loophole..... According to the minutes from a 2012 meeting of the EU type approval authorities: “A manufacturer could specify a special setting that is not normally used for everyday driving.” :wtf:
 
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donkas

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Aug 30, 2012
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I believe that has been done in an attempt to stop the slide of sales from the VW group.

There are now rumours that VW are offering to buy back any of the 2016 cars where the CO2 figures have been underestimated. As for the older cars, they are still debating as to whether they have actually done anything wrong, as the EU rules appear to have a loophole..... According to the minutes from a 2012 meeting of the EU type approval authorities: “A manufacturer could specify a special setting that is not normally used for everyday driving.” :wtf:

If not anything wrong from a testing perspective then surely something wrong from a sale of goods view. They are supposed to quote typical emission figures and if that figure is incorrect then they surely have a case to answer as they have deliberately misled the buyer.
 

Mrski1

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If not anything wrong from a testing perspective then surely something wrong from a sale of goods view. They are supposed to quote typical emission figures and if that figure is incorrect then they surely have a case to answer as they have deliberately misled the buyer.

Certainly for the new models which miss the stated CO2 and mpg targets, but for the older cars and the Nox defeat device, to hear a quote mentioning that a special setting can be specified surely defeats the purpose of having targets to hit? Not only are the manufacturers trying to massage numbers, but it seems the EU also....
 

donkas

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Aug 30, 2012
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Would that special setting not be for the likes of DPF regen process to help burn off the accumulated debris that has not been burnt off by the likes of motorway driving?
 

donkas

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Aug 30, 2012
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That is the whole cause of my beef with this saga. The car is output 2.5x the Euro limit for emissions and must surely be subject in some form to the sale of goods act.
 

Balddee2

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Oct 10, 2009
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Cant believe it, first the Exeo's impacted by this scandal and now my bloomin dryer is getting recalled by Hotpoint for risk of fire, what is the world coming too?! ;-)
 
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cordoba175

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Sep 15, 2008
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I was making small talk with the AA man who was towing my exeo back to my house and he said that they had all been issued with equipment from VW to help carryout the 'FIX'....
 

kblackburn

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Aug 15, 2012
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I would doubt very much that vw, would have the AA carry out any rectification work on their behalf, warranty and recalls have to be carried out by licensed technicians (vw), some thing thats only available to dealer technicians.
I'm a licensed Toyota technician, and only certain warranty work can be carried out the relevent technician.
 

cordoba175

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Sep 15, 2008
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Yeah I would agree with you that most people will expect to go to a vw dealer and have it worked on by a qualified technician but it might be that vw have done the numbers and come to the conclusion that they wouldn't be able to cope with the number of vehicles to be fixed in addition to the day to day servicing their dealer network already do...
 

cordoba175

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Sep 15, 2008
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Now there's something I'd like for Christmas! I've been putting it off since this whole emissions thing kicked off..
 
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