wheels from other car makers

TJBeezer

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Jun 15, 2010
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I know it's nigh on impossible to check, and I'm probably being overly paranoid, but is it illegal/MOT fail if the hub center of the wheel is bigger than the actual hub centre?
 

suj

Wheel Connoisseur
Jan 1, 2009
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Birmingham
Not sure if illegal, should be though
As the bolts were not designed to take lateral forces when the centrebore is too big, so i'd hate to imagine the consequences!

You can get "spigot rings" that fit inside of a bigger centrebore, to make it correct, cost maximum of £20 and worth every penny!
 

toddygti

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Sep 9, 2007
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Folkestone, Kent
Not sure if illegal, should be though
As the bolts were not designed to take lateral forces when the centrebore is too big, so i'd hate to imagine the consequences!

You can get "spigot rings" that fit inside of a bigger centrebore, to make it correct, cost maximum of £20 and worth every penny!

I'd imagine if the tester were to notice this then it would be considered Dangerous, thus failing the MOT. If the bolts snap (which happens easily with the pressures you're talking about) then it's bye bye wheels, probably the car and possibly you if you're at speed. Is it really worth it lol

Spigot rings FTW mate.

Also here's a little list.

Honda (Hub size is tight, snug is an understatement)
Renault (Bore Size is 61/62 mm so spigots required)
Rover / MG
Vauxhall

and anything else that's 4x100 really. FIAT / Alfa ones are 4x98 and fit with wobble bolts.
 

suj

Wheel Connoisseur
Jan 1, 2009
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Birmingham
Honda = 56.1 so should ideally be opened up to 57.1

And if multifit bolt holes, then it will have the wider of the 2 PCD's, so you might need spigots

Also could be redrilled if certain wheels, so centrebore might be that of the original wheels :)
 

suj

Wheel Connoisseur
Jan 1, 2009
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Birmingham
Yes older vauxhalls were 4x100, with the right centrebore IIRC

Honda etc did not have the same centrebore, and some of the japs have 4x114 PCD's, so watch out

Citroen/peugeot/citreon = 4x108 PCD's
 

suj

Wheel Connoisseur
Jan 1, 2009
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Birmingham
Yes older vauxhalls were 4x100, with the right centrebore IIRC

Honda etc did not have the same centrebore, and some of the japs have 4x114 PCD's, so watch out

Citroen/peugeot/citreon = 4x108 PCD's
 

CraigW

Craig.
Apr 12, 2007
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Hawick, Scottish Borders, Scotland
Not sure if illegal, should be though
As the bolts were not designed to take lateral forces when the centrebore is too big, so i'd hate to imagine the consequences!

You can get "spigot rings" that fit inside of a bigger centrebore, to make it correct, cost maximum of £20 and worth every penny!

I'd imagine if the tester were to notice this then it would be considered Dangerous, thus failing the MOT. If the bolts snap (which happens easily with the pressures you're talking about) then it's bye bye wheels, probably the car and possibly you if you're at speed. Is it really worth it lol

Spigot rings FTW mate.

Also here's a little list.

Honda (Hub size is tight, snug is an understatement)
Renault (Bore Size is 61/62 mm so spigots required)
Rover / MG
Vauxhall

and anything else that's 4x100 really. FIAT / Alfa ones are 4x98 and fit with wobble bolts.

I cant believe that some people even go running wheels without spigot rings knowing the the centre bore of the wheel is bigger than the part its going over. Surely you would notice that and see it wasnt right?! :blink:

I know Im not using spigot rings but thats because my wheels are from a Mk3 Cupra R so the centre bore etc is already the right size. The wheels on my sig pic had a spigot ring in them.
 

abhardwaj1990

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Mar 16, 2009
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Shottingham
http://www.alloyguide.com/

This sites useful for comparing all manufacturers and models.


I ran my 17s without spigots for a day or 2 while waiting for the rings to arrive, you don't really notice until the steering starts to wobble at over 40mph. Wouldn't advise it.
 

abhardwaj1990

Yes, I'm licking my hand
Mar 16, 2009
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Shottingham
Well it depends on which vauxhal they're coming off, but in most cases the vauxhall centre bore is less than 57.1, so the bore would have to be machined out to fit. Not worth the hassle for vauxhall alloys tbh!
 

Seatmann

Rough around the edges
Sep 16, 2010
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Scotlanda
If anything you might need to file them out a bit. I was lucky with the mg ones because they had a 1mm lip which I just filed out with the dremmel but the rest of the hole was spot on and I used it for a guide. There usually a bit tight but give them a go.
 

kinggy999

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Dec 13, 2010
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nottingham
I know it's nigh on impossible to check, and I'm probably being overly paranoid, but is it illegal/MOT fail if the hub center of the wheel is bigger than the actual hub centre?

i dont know if its illegal or but i did this on a Astra i had gave the car to a garage to take it for its mot it passed but the big bill came when the bolts snapped as he left the mot station so if you look at it properly its going to cost you more in repairs when the inevitable happens
 

Seatmann

Rough around the edges
Sep 16, 2010
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Scotlanda
It's fine, if it is bigger just use spigot rings. A lot of aftermarket wheels need them. The mot's all about your car being safe and as long as you use the rings and the bolts are all nice and tight all should be well. They dont measure them at an mot.:)
 
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