Wins to decide F1 2009 world title

[air121005]

i read about this earlier and think its absolute stupidity!

so a drriver could win only 1 GP and finish 2nd or 3rd in every other race but be beaten to the title by somebody who wins 2 GP's by chance , for example by a lucky tyre choice in the rain and crashes out of every other race!!!!

i did see another rule they are toying with, possibly introduced in 2010, capping team budgets to £30m, which includes driver wages
would allow for a more even playing field

 

[wisejason]

If they carry one trying to cut costs and muck about with the rules the sport will die. Time for Max and Bernie leave the sport!

 

[ZBOYD]

The sport needs mucking about with though, its turned into a boring processional parade with little actual racing or over-taking.

Lewis got lucky last year because Ferrari unusually had a bad season of mistakes and poor reliability, otherwise he'd of been nowhere near Massa at the end of last season.

It made an otherwise uninspiring season, a nail-biting end due to Ferrari's poor performance.

They have to cut costs because if no-one had noticed were in a global financial downturn, and money for motorsport isn't being handed out for fun anymore.

F1 has to get cost effective and go back to being a real sporting spectacle if it's going to survive...simple as really.

Bernie would never of got this cleared without the support of the teams, drivers and governing body anyway. So obviously the drivers don't care a great deal about it.

 

[Cupra Kev]

The rules they're planning on for 2010 are teams either:

a) Have a 30m budget, but are less limited in technical areas (rev limits, engine development freezes etc)
b) Unlimited budget but restrictions on engines etc.

Meant to try and make it "easier" for smaller teams to get into F1

 

[wisejason]

I think there is a bigger problem than costs or points scoring... and that is that when the race officials make stupid decisions. Lewis is a born racer like a few others on the grid, but when they drive with a bit of aggression and make gaps they get grief.

I really hope that the changes to the cars this year and slicks make for a closer battle. I can't wait only two weeks to wait!

 

[andycupra]

personally i think its a rediculous idea.

Yes, it may encourage people to go for the win, but what are you to think when you are in the lead and the driver in second makes a silly move? - they have nothing to loose...

and what if you are down the order a bit, if you are going for the championship why not stop half way through the race to save your engine..

I remember when you entered points from something like 11 of the 16 races. - so your 11 best results. This worked fairly well and rewarded good finishes rather than consistent but possibly lower point scores.

For the last few years there has been too little difference in points so that finishing second was nearly as good as a win.

Regards the budget cap. - its a bit like trying to cap footballers wages. Its simply not workable. - where is the cut off point? if you contract out say the development of a part to a company, they then get sponsorship on the car for significantly less than it would normally, allowing them to spend millions developing the part.. The F1 team have not spent that money, but benfit from the development of the part.
cant see it working.

 

[DMC1987]

totally with you wisejason on the problems with the race officials. its not the points system that ruins races, its them!!!

this new system is totally daft, surely they are looking to attract more people to spectate in the sport, rather than push them away with complicated rules. all that will happen (assuming the two engine rule is still in place in 2009??) is that the championship contending teams will go for the win at races when they have a "new engine", and not be as bothered when they dont.

End of rant!

 

[helms]

i would have adjusted it myself, but not like that.
I would have a far more interesting set up.
1st - 12 points
2nd - 9 points
3rd - 7 points
4th - 5 points
5th - 4
6th - 3
7th - 2
8th - 1

Then I would have one point for pole position and 1 point for fastest lap. This would encourage the smaller teams to go light in quali 3 and go for pole, which as we saw in a few races made it very interesting. Also encouraging the fastest driver with a point for the fastest lap of the race.
It would make it alot closer, and I think that adds to the excitement.

 

[Jim H]

I think the phrase " If it aint broke, don't fix it" springs to mind.

I think it is a good idea for a brand new series e.g. Formula 2 or the one with Football teams, but not the well established F1. There are too many changes this year to prove better racing. I have now worked this out as follows:

Assuming 17 races....

9 first places and 8 non finishes (DNFs) = 9 * 10 = 90 points and the championship
17 second places = 17 * 8 = 136 points and no championship

F1 will now be an Entertainment Show and NOT a Sport.

 

[air121005]

I think the phrase " If it aint broke, don't fix it" springs to mind.

I think it is a good idea for a brand new series e.g. Formula 2 or the one with Football teams, but not the well established F1. There are too many changes this year to prove better racing. I have now worked this out as follows:

Assuming 17 races....

9 first places and 8 non finishes (DNFs) = 9 * 10 = 90 points and the championship
17 second places = 17 * 8 = 136 points and no championship

F1 will now be an Entertainment Show and NOT a Sport.

you probably wouldn't need to win 9 races TBH
manufactures will only need to engineer an engine/gearbox to be used at 100% for a full race weekends racing and won't be bothered if it fails in the next meets warm up session, no need to win consecutive races, no need to try for a whle season..........

 

[cap r 225]

i'm quite suprised some people are all fore this. i thought everybody would hate it. seems pretty 50/50 reading the thread.
Zyboyd- i see what your saying about ferrari cocking massa's season up but thats why it's a team sport, the pit crew are just as big a part as the driver and the car. it would be the same as having a great car and a great crew with a crap driver. kimi had an awfull season really in a fantastic car with a great team, the difference between him and lewis was massive.
my point is the sport IMO is fantastic, and although i'm new to F1 i would agree with all the people saying it was one of the best seasons to date. so as it's been said just leave it alone.
good debate this though... very intresting hearing so many opinions!

 

[andycupra]

to further 'save costs' are we going to see all but the first few cars give up after a few laps when they know they wont be winning and so save on engines, tyres, fuel....
Or will there be points still allocated for the contructors?

one thing id like to see is limiting the number of people that are allowed to work onthe car during a pit stop so that the pit crew and not the fuelling would determine how long a pit stop takes. Much more interesting to watch them work in indy car etc.
(For safety, there would not be restrictions on people operating the re-fuelling rig, but they cannot do anything else).
But then in the long run i think they plan to remove re-fuelling

 

[cap r 225]

to further 'save costs' are we going to see all but the first few cars give up after a few laps when they know they wont be winning and so save on engines, tyres, fuel....

one thing id like to see is limiting the number of people that are allowed to work onthe car during a pit stop so that the pit crew and not the fuelling would determine how long a pit stop takes. Much more interesting to watch them work in indy car etc.
(For safety, there would not be restrictions on people operating the re-fuelling rig, but they cannot do anything else).
But then in the long run i think they plan to remove re-fuelling

true i hadn't thought about this, it will be so demoralising for the lesser teams

 

[WaveyDaveyGravy]

Total load of rubbish!!!

If they were concerned that drivers would not chase the win then they should of simply made the gap bigger between 1st and 2nd place. This system is wrong cause it does not reward the clever racer that builds a championship.

Bernie has lost the plot - what a plum in my option!

Thought about this and I agree. It is now no longer a championship but a knock out trophy. Apart from first place where will the racing be? Drivers already used to go for wins, but now it doesn't really matter if you finish second or seventeenth. Give 20 points for a win instead of 10 with the previous scoring system, and it rewards wins but doesn't penalise the consistently fast podium finisher.

No driver can win every race but the whole point of the championship is that since it started it has given us the fastest most consistent racer over the course of a season. Now we don't. Way to go.

 

[Cupra Kev]

i would have adjusted it myself, but not like that.
I would have a far more interesting set up.
1st - 12 points
2nd - 9 points
3rd - 7 points
4th - 5 points
5th - 4
6th - 3
7th - 2
8th - 1

Then I would have one point for pole position and 1 point for fastest lap. This would encourage the smaller teams to go light in quali 3 and go for pole, which as we saw in a few races made it very interesting. Also encouraging the fastest driver with a point for the fastest lap of the race.
It would make it alot closer, and I think that adds to the excitement.

That was actually close to what the FOTA wanted - but something like 12, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 for the first 8 to give incentive for finishing first, but also rewarding consistency/reliability during the season.

 

[Andywarr]

i only wish they brought it in last year,

 

[Jonesy]

So Jean Todt has cut all ties with Fair-are-we is he off to Brawn GP

 

[wisejason]

So Jean Todt has cut all ties with Fair-are-we is he off to Brawn GP

...no he will become the new head of the FIA.

 

[helms]

FIA = Ferrari Is Advantaged after all....
I think the fact that F1 works differently to rest of motor sport is daft

 

[AlpineWhite]

JT as president of the FIA? I'd take him over Spanky Max.